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Owen Hogarth
  • Real Estate Investor
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How to value negative cash flow

Owen Hogarth
  • Real Estate Investor
  • fort lauderdale, FL
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I've had a lot of deals like this come across my desk, they are 5 million dollar and above. These are preforeclosures and REO and they are negative cash flowing usually because there around 50% occupied.

How do I value properties like this
456 units
50% occupied, no deferred maint. but REO
asking north of 9.4million
negative 120,000 per month
potential 364,416 per month

so with those numbers taking 15% vacancy
potential 309,753 per month divide by 2 =
potential 154,876 per month NOI

10 million @ 7% 30 years = 66,530 per month debt service

so with 85% occupancy potential NOI after debt service
1,858,512 - 798,360 = 1,060,152 per year or just over 88k per month.

but currently around 50% occupancy the property is losing 120k per month.

so how do i value something that has negative cash flows like described above?

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Ralph S.
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Ralph S.
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I'd take Mike's evaluation and take it one step further. Even if a prospective buyer thinks they have the magic key to turn it around, it's still very overpriced.

Whatever reason for the 50% vacancy, this is a distressed property and the price should reflect performance achieved, not performance AS IF you were able to pull off what the previous owner couldn't.

Seems like selling a building as if value is intrinsic to the building (~$21K/unit), without recognizing it for the failing, distressed business that it is.

Reminds me of those who claim rents less PITI equal cashflow (all the while losing their b*tts), or "rents could be raised," and price a property "as-if" it were true.

If you coulda, you woulda, you can't or didn't, and who's going to reward the seller who didn't with a price as if they did? The buyer of this property would be exposing themselves to tremendous financial risk, and if they can indeed turn the occupancy around, they should be GREATLY rewarded for their risk taking, hard work and success, and not have to succeed where others have failed, to simply earn a good return.

You'd have to fill an additional +/-200 units while not lowering rents or incurring additional expenses? Tough nut to crack. Price as business, not as building or "as if" and only after discovering if there really is a magic key to success.

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