Why are we Sleeping on Puerto Rico?

Why are we Sleeping on Puerto Rico?

Niles, MI · Member since 2015 · 38 posts · 6 votes

I have searched BP forums in a few ways to see what the chatter is about Puerto Rico and the posts that pop up are old. Very surprisingI understand that PR is kind of USA territory but kind of notwhich will understandably turn people off from PR as an investment opportunity. But to almost no discussion? Very surprising

In no particular order, here are some reasons it appears PR may be a great opportunity. Keep in mind, this is about two weeks of information gathering.

-While not a US state, it is an unincorporated US territory, which means it essentially functions as type of state without all the privileges. But in terms of economy, infrastructure, most laws it is pretty close.

 -Again, while not a US state, if there ever was to be a new state added, I think most would agree PR would be first in-line. I am pretty certain I'll see it become a state in my lifetime

-Temperature and weather is similar to Hawaii (think: cheaper Hawaii option?) and has similar activities. A great vacation spot that is still within the USA.

-Housing appears to be relatively affordable considering tourism is a big economic driver there.

-Since it is a US territory, it isn't considered international investing and most US banks can finance there

Some of the downsides:

-Recently declared bankruptcy

-Infrastructure is still developing. Country in general appears to be developing in that sense too

-Not sure of how well the rule of law is followed, variable outcomes for those living there.


I am not trying to insult anyone from there or familiar with the area with this quick analysis -- I'm just not very familiar and the information is a little sparse. If you are an investor, realtor, property manager, GC, or know more about PR than I do (not too hard to do) and have points, please chime in! I feel like I'm missing something very obvious that makes this less than ideal but it's not very clear to me right now.


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Realtor · Boulder, CO · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 5k+ votes
4y

I've been interested in Puerto Rico ever since visiting and falling in love with the island and it's people in 2001. I would definitely not consider myself to be any kind of expert (most of my knowledge comes from briefly dating a Puerto Rican woman and researching buying property there with her family, lol. I have never owned property there myself). So take this pros and cons list with a grain of salt, but here goes...

Pros:

1. Beautiful country with 300 miles of beaches, a lovely forested interior with mountains up to 4,000 feet tall, waterfalls, caves, and plenty to do (surfing, kite surfing, snorkeling/scuba diving, boating, fishing, rock climbing, partying, relaxing on the beach).

2. Nice weather. It would be a good job to be a weather forecaster in PR: "For the next 10,000 days it will be sunny with a slight chance of rain, 70-80 degrees, 70% humidity. There may be an occasional hurricane of course, but I'll be on vacation until then".  

3. Vibrant culture with good music, great food, friendly people. 

4. Lots of interesting history and architecture: Some of the buildings like El Morro and La Fortaleza, San Juan Antiguo etc. go back to the 1500's. If you're into pirates and colonial battles, it's a fascinating place. 

5. Tax incentives: Act 22 was passed to encourage high net-worth individuals to move to the island. For those qualifying (resident status is easy to achieve), there are no island or federal taxes on social security income, dividends or capital gains. Pensions, IRAs and wages earned on the island are only taxed 4%. However, you have to become a resident withdraw and rollover your funds from your mainland bank into a Puerto Rican account. 

6. Due in part to above tax incentives, demand is rising strongly. In 2021, the # of houses sold was up about 85% YOY (the number fell sharply leading up to and during the pandemic in 2020 then rebounded last year).

6. Anyone can purchase property and have freehold title in their name.

7. Real estate transaction costs are low (similar to US mainland). 

8. I like how the economy is not solely dependent on tourism, unlike many tropical destinations. It's not a tiny economy that would fall apart if people suddenly stopped visiting, like most Caribbean islands, Belize or even to some extent Costa Rica. The World Economic Forum classifies PR as a high-income economy and considers it to be the most competitive economy in Latin America. They have economic diversity with manufacturing (primarily pharmaceuticals, textiles, petrochemicals, and electronics), a strong service industry, finance, insurance, real estate and finally tourism (only 7% of GDP). However with this said, see my notes on the economy in the "cons" category below. 

9. Easily accessible from mainland US: Only 2.5 hours from Miami or 4 hours from NYC and they have 2 international airports with regular flights.  

10. As close as it gets to visiting a different US state without actually being a state: no passport required, US dollar is local currency, familiar restaurants and big-name stores, you can order stuff from Amazon and have it shipped via USPS, cell phone plans work like they do at home, etc. 

11. PR is emerging from bankruptcy in 2022, due in large part to billions in stimulus money from Covid relief plus debt forgiveness.  

Cons: 

1.  Puerto Rico has been experiencing a deep economic depression that began in 2006 due to the expiration of a US IRS tax code which gave tax exemptions to US corporations based in PR. 

2. The individual tax incentives outlined above in the pros category, which encourage US citizens to retire there, could go away suddenly in a similar manner to the way corporate tax breaks did in 2006, if politicians decide to take them away to boost revenues. 

3. PR is known for a highly inefficient local government which accrues a lot of debt relative to its GDP (like A LOT of debt in the hundreds of billions, hence the largest municipal bankruptcy filing in US history in 2017). 

4. The population has been declining rapidly for some time (there are now twice as many Puerto Ricans living on the mainland US than there are on the island). Unfortunately many of the educated and wealthy Puerto Ricans are living on the US mainland now. This also contributes to the seemingly uncontrollable debt level (as the population declines the govt. collects less revenue, issues more bonds, etc.). 

5. High cost of goods: electricity is more expensive than even Hawaii and most goods are imported so they are very expensive relative to the US mainland. 

6. Poverty level is very bad: avg. median income is way lower than anywhere on the mainland and the official poverty rate is 45%, which is over twice that of Mississippi (which is the poorest US state and has a 20% poverty rate). 

7. Vacancy rate has been high averaging 13% over the past few years, due to population loss (2020 census showed the population dropping by 12%, exacerbated by hurricane Maria in 2017).

8. Real estate values have mostly gone down since 2005. 

9. GDP has mostly been contracting since 2005. 

10. Unemployment is high.

11. Hurricanes: PR is susceptible to large hurricanes such as Maria which devastated the island in 2017, causing a portion of the population to leave. 

12. Earthquakes: PR is surrounded by complex fault systems. It's stuck between the Caribbean and North American plates as they converge in some places and slide past each other in others. This means there are thousands of small earthquakes there every year, and occasionally large ones that cause damage on the island or tsunami waves. 

13. Other than the tax incentives from Act 22 (which only residents qualify for), taxes are quite high. For example, capital gains are taxed at a flat rate of 29% for non-residents. Sales tax is also higher than anywhere on the US mainland.

14. Lots of government red tape and corruption, such as difficult to get construction permits, the political system seems to be broken, etc. 

15. Few people speak English. I don't mind it personally because I love to learn and practice Spanish, but for many looking to do business, buy or sell property, move there, etc. it is a deterrent. 

16. Despite coming out of bankruptcy, PR still has a very volatile economy. The pension system, bond system, transportation authority and electric authority (both still in bankruptcy) are not in good shape. It's possible that debt will get out of control again quickly.   

17. I don't know whether or not PR will become a US state in our lifetime. I wouldn't bet on it either way. 

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  • Member since 2010 · 210 posts · 158 votes
    4y

    I know rich folks have been moving there because of attractive tax laws.  Not familiar with the PR real estate market. However Im in the USVI that is in a similar situation as PR

  • Niles, MI · Member since 2015 · 38 posts · 6 votes
    4y

    @Dell J. What would you say that is most similar and dissimilar to the USA from USVI perspective? I'm guessing there may be some overlap between experience in that regard between PR and USVI

  • Developer · Member since 2010 · 188 posts · 103 votes
    4y

    Hi Eric - I agree with so many of your points. There is actually a pretty active investor community here on the island.  Also there are many posts on BP.  I have alerts set up and so I see some of the chatter.  However, I've had to work with BP several times as the territories were not listed as a way to search or post.  For example, we have meetings every month and sometimes I'm forced to post the location as Florida, because San Juan doesn't show in my list of options.  

    Btw, the bankruptcy is now over, as of about a month ago. FEMA & CARES act money to the tune of billions are flowing in to the island as we speak. There is incredible investment into the infrastructure, the likes of which have never been seen.

    Financing is a bit more challenging, certain loan products are nearly impossible (hard money loans, construction loans) and there is no central MLS that is used (there are 2 MLS services, but not fully used) so comps are difficult. These are not insurmountable, but they are barriers to entry for some folks. For cash buyers, it's a dream.

  • Niles, MI · Member since 2015 · 38 posts · 6 votes
    4y

    That's great information @Kathryn Morea! I don't have the keyword alerts setup but should jump on that. I also started following the facebook page you have linked to get more information. I'm up to soaking as much information as possible about PR. I'm looking at the Rincon area if that matters.

    I wasn't aware the bankruptcy is over though!

    Thanks for the reply!

  • Developer · Member since 2010 · 188 posts · 103 votes
    4y

    Eric, Thank you!  If you are in the San Juan area on the 4th Thursday of the month, drop in for our monthly meeting.  We also meet every Saturday at 7:30am for our dealmakers breakfast club.  We get investors from all over the island, but obviously Rincon is a bit of a hike :-)

    We are organizing a real estate bus tour on July 26 to go to the west side of the island (including Rincon).  This will be our 3rd tour.  Look for announcements in BP, Eventbrite and on our website. 

  • Investor · Plymouth, MN · Member since 2020 · 157 posts · 102 votes
    4y

    @Eric Long

    Hi Eric,

    My wife and I actually started looking in Puerto Rico a few years ago We have 6 STR properties but none in PR yet. It's on the list as we love the island.

    When we were looking one of the draw backs was loans were a bit harder to get. It was also a bit of hit and miss on what is avail, what is under contract, etc. So the as harder to find properties remotely.

    But you are correct - PR is great and i think someday it will become a state and get a ton more popular when tourists.....

  • Realtor · Boulder, CO · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    4y

    I've been interested in Puerto Rico ever since visiting and falling in love with the island and it's people in 2001. I would definitely not consider myself to be any kind of expert (most of my knowledge comes from briefly dating a Puerto Rican woman and researching buying property there with her family, lol. I have never owned property there myself). So take this pros and cons list with a grain of salt, but here goes...

    Pros:

    1. Beautiful country with 300 miles of beaches, a lovely forested interior with mountains up to 4,000 feet tall, waterfalls, caves, and plenty to do (surfing, kite surfing, snorkeling/scuba diving, boating, fishing, rock climbing, partying, relaxing on the beach).

    2. Nice weather. It would be a good job to be a weather forecaster in PR: "For the next 10,000 days it will be sunny with a slight chance of rain, 70-80 degrees, 70% humidity. There may be an occasional hurricane of course, but I'll be on vacation until then".  

    3. Vibrant culture with good music, great food, friendly people. 

    4. Lots of interesting history and architecture: Some of the buildings like El Morro and La Fortaleza, San Juan Antiguo etc. go back to the 1500's. If you're into pirates and colonial battles, it's a fascinating place. 

    5. Tax incentives: Act 22 was passed to encourage high net-worth individuals to move to the island. For those qualifying (resident status is easy to achieve), there are no island or federal taxes on social security income, dividends or capital gains. Pensions, IRAs and wages earned on the island are only taxed 4%. However, you have to become a resident withdraw and rollover your funds from your mainland bank into a Puerto Rican account. 

    6. Due in part to above tax incentives, demand is rising strongly. In 2021, the # of houses sold was up about 85% YOY (the number fell sharply leading up to and during the pandemic in 2020 then rebounded last year).

    6. Anyone can purchase property and have freehold title in their name.

    7. Real estate transaction costs are low (similar to US mainland). 

    8. I like how the economy is not solely dependent on tourism, unlike many tropical destinations. It's not a tiny economy that would fall apart if people suddenly stopped visiting, like most Caribbean islands, Belize or even to some extent Costa Rica. The World Economic Forum classifies PR as a high-income economy and considers it to be the most competitive economy in Latin America. They have economic diversity with manufacturing (primarily pharmaceuticals, textiles, petrochemicals, and electronics), a strong service industry, finance, insurance, real estate and finally tourism (only 7% of GDP). However with this said, see my notes on the economy in the "cons" category below. 

    9. Easily accessible from mainland US: Only 2.5 hours from Miami or 4 hours from NYC and they have 2 international airports with regular flights.  

    10. As close as it gets to visiting a different US state without actually being a state: no passport required, US dollar is local currency, familiar restaurants and big-name stores, you can order stuff from Amazon and have it shipped via USPS, cell phone plans work like they do at home, etc. 

    11. PR is emerging from bankruptcy in 2022, due in large part to billions in stimulus money from Covid relief plus debt forgiveness.  

    Cons: 

    1.  Puerto Rico has been experiencing a deep economic depression that began in 2006 due to the expiration of a US IRS tax code which gave tax exemptions to US corporations based in PR. 

    2. The individual tax incentives outlined above in the pros category, which encourage US citizens to retire there, could go away suddenly in a similar manner to the way corporate tax breaks did in 2006, if politicians decide to take them away to boost revenues. 

    3. PR is known for a highly inefficient local government which accrues a lot of debt relative to its GDP (like A LOT of debt in the hundreds of billions, hence the largest municipal bankruptcy filing in US history in 2017). 

    4. The population has been declining rapidly for some time (there are now twice as many Puerto Ricans living on the mainland US than there are on the island). Unfortunately many of the educated and wealthy Puerto Ricans are living on the US mainland now. This also contributes to the seemingly uncontrollable debt level (as the population declines the govt. collects less revenue, issues more bonds, etc.). 

    5. High cost of goods: electricity is more expensive than even Hawaii and most goods are imported so they are very expensive relative to the US mainland. 

    6. Poverty level is very bad: avg. median income is way lower than anywhere on the mainland and the official poverty rate is 45%, which is over twice that of Mississippi (which is the poorest US state and has a 20% poverty rate). 

    7. Vacancy rate has been high averaging 13% over the past few years, due to population loss (2020 census showed the population dropping by 12%, exacerbated by hurricane Maria in 2017).

    8. Real estate values have mostly gone down since 2005. 

    9. GDP has mostly been contracting since 2005. 

    10. Unemployment is high.

    11. Hurricanes: PR is susceptible to large hurricanes such as Maria which devastated the island in 2017, causing a portion of the population to leave. 

    12. Earthquakes: PR is surrounded by complex fault systems. It's stuck between the Caribbean and North American plates as they converge in some places and slide past each other in others. This means there are thousands of small earthquakes there every year, and occasionally large ones that cause damage on the island or tsunami waves. 

    13. Other than the tax incentives from Act 22 (which only residents qualify for), taxes are quite high. For example, capital gains are taxed at a flat rate of 29% for non-residents. Sales tax is also higher than anywhere on the US mainland.

    14. Lots of government red tape and corruption, such as difficult to get construction permits, the political system seems to be broken, etc. 

    15. Few people speak English. I don't mind it personally because I love to learn and practice Spanish, but for many looking to do business, buy or sell property, move there, etc. it is a deterrent. 

    16. Despite coming out of bankruptcy, PR still has a very volatile economy. The pension system, bond system, transportation authority and electric authority (both still in bankruptcy) are not in good shape. It's possible that debt will get out of control again quickly.   

    17. I don't know whether or not PR will become a US state in our lifetime. I wouldn't bet on it either way. 

  • Niles, MI · Member since 2015 · 38 posts · 6 votes
    4y

    Thank you both, @Alex F. and @Steve K.!

    Very insightful -- I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking about PR in this way. I have never been there but was just in Cancun for the first time (went there instead of Hawaii due to cost) and made me think of other Caribbean locations to vacation.

    If you were to theory-craft a bit on the topic, what would be the most obvious benefits (and downsides) of statehood for PR? From what I understand a lot of the tax incentives will go away.

  • Property Manager · Phialdelphia, PA · Member since 2017 · 509 posts · 627 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Kathryn Morea:

    Eric, Thank you!  If you are in the San Juan area on the 4th Thursday of the month, drop in for our monthly meeting.  We also meet every Saturday at 7:30am for our dealmakers breakfast club.  We get investors from all over the island, but obviously Rincon is a bit of a hike :-)

    We are organizing a real estate bus tour on July 26 to go to the west side of the island (including Rincon).  This will be our 3rd tour.  Look for announcements in BP, Eventbrite and on our website. 


     Hello Kathryn, 

    I sent you a PM, not sure if you've seen it. 

    Are you guys meeting this Saturday as well? If so, where are you meeting and is it possible to join you? I'm in San Juan this week and would love to meet up. 

    Cheers, 

    Yuriy 

  • Developer · Member since 2010 · 188 posts · 103 votes
    4y

    Hi Yuriy, I answered your pm. Yes we meet every Saturday near the airport at a private residence and we talk real estate at 7:30 am! There's always a crowd and we have a few wholesalers now as well. You can find it in eventbrite and the social media for REIA Rico. Happy to see this thread is getting some engagement!

  • Real Estate Broker · St. Thomas, USVI · Member since 2019 · 33 posts · 26 votes
    4y

    @Eric Long It's nice to see some posts related to US Territories, a lot of people dont know we are here!  I dont live nor invest (yet) in Puerto Rico (I am next door in the Virgin Islands), but have been researching it and enjoy visiting.  I think there is lots of opportunity there especially given the critical mass of ~3M+ people as well as its position as a US flagged hub for the entire Caribbean.

    I have heard the same points echoed by  @Kathryn Morea   I have personally worked on commercial transactions in San Juan and Fajardo and also found there is a lack of transparency in the marketplace. However, in my view there is opportunity within the opaque nature of Caribbean islands.

    I believe the tax programs mentioned by @Steve K. are available because PR and the USVI are territories.  We have a mirror tax code that follows the IRS; however, we have the ability to offer "offshore" type tax incentives given that the tax revenue stays in territory and is not shipped to Uncle Sam in the states.  The local governments enjoy a fair amount of autonomy.  USVI has similar programs as PR for those that invest in Enterprise Zones and/or establish companies within the territory receive a 90% reduction in income tax + waiver of property tax, customs duties, gross receipts, among other things.

    While each territory has its own unique tax incentives, we still enjoy the best of both worlds as we also have federal Opportunity Zones, in fact, I believe ALL of Puerto Rico is within an Opportunity Zone.
     

    In short, while its not all rainbows and butterflies in paradise, I think there are great opportunities in our Caribbean territories and happy to see other on BP exploring them.  I look forward to connecting.

  • Property Manager · Monument, CO · Member since 2021 · 38 posts · 41 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Jeff Wagner:

    While each territory has its own unique tax incentives, we still enjoy the best of both worlds as we also have federal Opportunity Zones, in fact, I believe ALL of Puerto Rico is within an Opportunity Zone.

    I noticed the same thing! The entire island AND tourist islands (like Culebra) are OZs. I suspect the government wants to rebuild from past hurricanes, but I've heard local governments make it rather difficult for outside investment (based off glamping friends at a recent conference I attended). I spent my 25th anniversary with my wife in PR and would love to revisit. 

  • Member since 2010 · 210 posts · 158 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Eric Long:

    @Dell J. What would you say that is most similar and dissimilar to the USA from USVI perspective? I'm guessing there may be some overlap between experience in that regard between PR and USVI


     As far as real estate goes...

    similarities - laws, rules and regulations surrounding real estate and banking are the same as the USA

    differences - In the USVI there are less banking and finance options.  

    Property Insurance will be higher than what your used to, property taxes will be lower

    It may be more of a challenge to get comps in the USVI 

  • Member since 2022 · 2 posts · 0 votes
    4y

    HI @Kathryn Morea what has been your experience working with contractors to rehab an existing home in PR? 

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