Historic 70 Unit Apartments

Historic 70 Unit Apartments

Montgomery, AL · Member since 2018 · 17 posts · 4 votes

In my city there is a historic 70 unit apartment that’s famous for its design and mid century modern architectural style. It’s a solid concrete building but windows are busted out and trees are grown up all around it and squatters have been in and out. It’s in a prime downtown area that is in the midst of revitalization boom. But many people have complained over the years because it makes the area look bad because of the state of the property. But no one has bought it yet. It has been under contract several times over the years but they never panned out.

Although I'm not sure yet, let's just say the numbers look good, and there would be several tax breaks from the city because it's historic. How do I get started? I'm new to REI. I haven't gotten official estimates, but say the total cost of the project would likely be around 3 mil.

Do I need a commercial real estate agent?

How do I find contractors that work these kind of properties? Most of the contractors I know work mostly on small multi family and SFH.

Who manages the project to make sure the work is good and each unit is designed nicely. These would be higher end units.

Should I get a partner that has experience with this?

Do I hire an architect team to present the development to the city for approval?

Once completed, do I hire a full time employee to manage? Or use a management company?

I understand this is a large undertaking for a newbie. I have talked with several interested private lenders that would lend for smaller units that I have been looking at, but I haven’t asked if they could do larger projects.

Should I use hard money or private funds and BRRRR this project?

So many questions!

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Architect · Providence, RI · Member since 2018 · 137 posts · 55 votes
8y

I've worked on the renovation of a few historic and "nearly historic" properties and it can be a real pain and elongage the contruction process significantly. I would first check to see if it's in the historic registry or any historic districts - if so there will be specific codes that you need to comply with. For example, you may need to pay extra money hand clean the building and meet the regulations of 'The Secretary of Interiors Standards'. If not your pretty much free to do whatever you like and its most architect's dream to do a mid-century modern renovation. 

I would hire the architect first to put together a brief proposal for the city. Once you get approval, from there the architect can recommend contractors and you can also hire them to perform ' Construction Admin' Services - which means they'll meet with the contractor during construction periodically and make sure the quality of work is up to standards. Because the architect has no formal contract with the contractor during construction admin it is their sole responsibility to protect the client and make sure the finished product is of high quality (for the budget).

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  • Attorney · Houston, TX · Member since 2016 · 61 posts · 38 votes
    8y

    The best thing you can do is partner up with someone who has done an extensive apartment rehab before. There are so many things that can go wrong, especially with historic buildings. If you bring a deal, some money, and some hustle to the table, you should have no problems getting people involved. The sweet spot would be to partner up with the owner of a construction company (or someone who knows the rehab business really well) and tackle it together. DOn't be afraid to bring others in for this one.

  • Rental Property Investor · Glen Rock, NJ · Member since 2015 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    8y

    @Luke Easley I agree with @Kyle Bryant you should consider partnering up. So finding an experienced partner would be your ideal case. The split can vary from (1) your partner may bring the crew to do the work and you can bring the cash to invest, to (2) you both put money into it and pay for construction, to (3) something completely different. If you don't have anyone in mind to partner up with, you should start going to local REI meetings. Most places have them listed either here on BP or on Meetup website.

    If I can help with anything else, feel free to reach out.

    Best of luck!

  • Bjorn AhlbladPro Member
    Investor · Shelton, WA · Member since 2017 · 6k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    8y

    The project will evolve and your answers become more clear as this undertaking develops. It is a good idea to have a crack at it whether or not anything comes of it; you will learn a lot. 

    You might want to think about what role you want to play long term; and decide that early on  before others even enter the deal. Then when others are recruited you will have decided what you will bring to the table and be responsible for, and what is expected of them.

  • Houma, LA · Member since 2017 · 1 post · 0 votes
    8y

    Luke,


    I am considering a relocation to the Montgomery area next year around this time for work. I have never tackled anything of this scale (my only experience being a live-in remodel) but like the sounds of this. I hail from Detroit where I learned that projects like this can make a huge difference in a city. If you are looking for investors please keep me in mind.

    -Ryan

  • Gino BarbaroPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · St Augustine, FL · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    8y

    @Luke Easley

    Hi Luke

    do you have a business plan and strategy to attack this huge project? There are a multitude of moving parts, from the engineer, to the architect, to the construction, to the buy right, to the manage right.

    I would seek out a partner or partners with skill sets that can accommodate these needs. Once you deal with the city, all bets are off.  The project will take longer and cost more than you anticipate.  Sounds like a cool project

    Best of Luck

    Gino

  • Investor · Princeton, TX · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    8y

    @Luke Easley    I would say... partner partner partner.

    The first partner should probably be the current owner.  You mentioned the location is good.  That means they have equity to partner with.

    The second partner should probably be a design group.  An engineer, architect, and interior decorator will all be needed.

    The third partner needs to be the city.  They love professionals.  Some professionally done drawings will go a long ways.  It will be interesting to see what they offer.  Normally it will not be cash up front.  There are creative ways to use long term incentives to finance deals.

    The fourth partner should be a construction company.  I would suggest finding one that does remodeling on large concrete buildings in your area.

    The second partner should over see the quality of the work of the fourth partner.

    Doing the project in the above mentioned step by step approach should help you keep the risk down.

    The details of each partnership will be different.  For example the partnership with current owner might only last until construction starts.  It might simply be a 12-18 month option period where all the other preliminary work can take place.

  • Rental Property Investor · St. Paul, MN · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    8y

    I would also suggest partnering with someone with experience. You may want to tie the property up first, but be sure to find people with experience. 

    Look to see if you can get historical tax credits. These credits are a huge bonus for you. Also, ask for TIF funds from the government and other tax abatement or incentives. Often times you can sell tax credits to investors at a slight discount. Say that you get $2mm in TIF over 10 years - you could sell that for $1.7 or 1.8 and get the whole amount up front. 

    For your team: I would use a commercial broker that has experience with this type of building. You will need an architect for plans and a contractor for the construction (commercial contractor). The city likely will not provide you with anything with out drawings and a cost schedule. A property manager should be involved from the start as well. 

    For financing, I would talk with the local lenders. Many would be interested in this type of project. If you strike out with them, then talk with bridge lenders. Hard money will be too expensive. 

  • Architect · Providence, RI · Member since 2018 · 137 posts · 55 votes
    8y

    I've worked on the renovation of a few historic and "nearly historic" properties and it can be a real pain and elongage the contruction process significantly. I would first check to see if it's in the historic registry or any historic districts - if so there will be specific codes that you need to comply with. For example, you may need to pay extra money hand clean the building and meet the regulations of 'The Secretary of Interiors Standards'. If not your pretty much free to do whatever you like and its most architect's dream to do a mid-century modern renovation. 

    I would hire the architect first to put together a brief proposal for the city. Once you get approval, from there the architect can recommend contractors and you can also hire them to perform ' Construction Admin' Services - which means they'll meet with the contractor during construction periodically and make sure the quality of work is up to standards. Because the architect has no formal contract with the contractor during construction admin it is their sole responsibility to protect the client and make sure the finished product is of high quality (for the budget).

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