Timeframe for refinancing a cash purchase

Timeframe for refinancing a cash purchase

Columbus, OH · Member since 2017 · 7 posts · 7 votes

My business partner and I are considering purchasing our first multifamily rental in a small rural town in OH. We are working with an owner who purchased the property in 2012 when he retired and came into money. He has since taken over the family business which takes up all of his time, thus gave up management to a family member. Low and behold the family member started a second business and now has no time to run the property either so the seller is willing to part ways with the property.

He purchased the property in 2012 for $600K - putting 50% down - and is now willing to walk away for $370K (the amount of the mortgage balance and the money he has invested). Rents are $550-650 depending on the unit and tenant pays for gas, electric, water/sewer, and trash. The property is all 2BD/1BA town-homes, all brick construction, and the windows/roofs, and parking lot are in fairly good shape.

Our question is for anyone who has purchased all cash before and attempted to refi the property ASAP. I've read a lot saying that lenders typically have a 'seasoning period' of 6 months to a year (which would be fine) but we were curious as to if there is any possibility to refi sooner? The property would most certainly appraise for at least $500-600K given the current financial's, and we we're even conservative on our underwriting ($600 avg rent, 90% occupancy, $4000/unit in expenses, @ 8-8.5% cap). I've heard a few podcasts by investors who used this process and had luck talking to any/all lenders who would listen until they found one willing to refi quickly, and off the appraised value. Just wanted to know if anyone had the same experience or any additional advice?

Thanks! 

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Stephanie P.Pro Member
Washington, DC Mortgage Lender/Broker · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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@richard marshall

You're asking Fannie Mae questions for a commercial property I think.  How many units?  If it's more than 5 units, there is no property seasoning requirement, but you may run into a problem if it's rural.  What city is it in?  Have you had an appraisal done recently and if so, how close, how old and how similar were the comps?

Sorry to pepper you, but you seem like you're in a hurry.  PM me for additional question/answer.

Thanks

Stephanie

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  • Specialist · San Francisco, CA · Member since 2016 · 58 posts · 30 votes
    9y
    Richard Marshall You can refi prior to the 6 months but you can only extract up to the purchase price.
  • Columbus, OH · Member since 2017 · 7 posts · 7 votes
    9y

    @Julie L. that's basically what I've been reading so i kind of figured as much, but I wasn't sure if maybe there were some smaller banks out there that would do it sooner on appraised value. We would certainly prefer to wait if we have to and have the refi on the appraised value because quite frankly it will be much higher than what we may buy it for. The gentleman is on time constraints though so us getting a mortgage up front is probably not in the cards, that's why we we're curious.

    Appreciate the response!

  • Stephanie P.Pro Member
    Washington, DC Mortgage Lender/Broker · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    9y

    @richard marshall

    You're asking Fannie Mae questions for a commercial property I think.  How many units?  If it's more than 5 units, there is no property seasoning requirement, but you may run into a problem if it's rural.  What city is it in?  Have you had an appraisal done recently and if so, how close, how old and how similar were the comps?

    Sorry to pepper you, but you seem like you're in a hurry.  PM me for additional question/answer.

    Thanks

    Stephanie

  • Anthony CharaPro Member
    Investor · Centennial, CO · Member since 2012 · 326 posts · 232 votes
    9y

    @Stephanie P. is correct. If the property is over 5 units, you can start the refi process the day after you close. However, you may not get favorable terms since it's such a low loan amount. And, as @Julie L. states, you won't be able to do any cash out. You'll just be able to refi for what you have in it cash-wise on a short turn around. 

    However, if you make a 'loan' to the apartment LLC for any updates you do to the property and record a lien against the property, the lender will pay those off at time of refi too!

  • Specialist · San Francisco, CA · Member since 2016 · 58 posts · 30 votes
    9y

    @Anthony Chara Love that loophole! 

  • Investor · Canton-Akron, OH · Member since 2012 · 917 posts · 477 votes
    9y

    You have a couple local regional banks in Mt Vernon, that will lend in Ohio, but not out of State. They are not that far from you. They will do what you are looking for. If you are a solid borrower with a solid property, buying with cash and refinancing, it's not that difficult to get rehab money to, up to 70-80'℅ of appraised value. 

  • Columbus, OH · Member since 2017 · 7 posts · 7 votes
    9y

    @Dell Schlabach thanks for the heads up, i was hoping to shop around a few smaller banks to see what each was able to offer.  I have a few clients in the Mount Vernon area actually so maybe when i go to meet with them i'll kill two birds with one stone! 

  • Columbus, OH · Member since 2017 · 7 posts · 7 votes
    9y

    @Stephanie P. @Anthony Chara I appreciate the feedback! At this point if we decide to move forward we would only want to refi the deal if they'd do it on appraised value, otherwise we are content holding for a year or so and improving the property and it's operations then refi'ing. As someone commented above, they know of a few small local banks here in Ohio that may be willing to lend on the appraised value sooner so i may take a stab at talking with them. 

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