TurnKey Wisdom - how to evaluate?

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Our small city is crushed with influx due to Covid. $333+/sqft on avg. Looking for out of state TurnKey opportunity but unsure how to vet or evaluate companies/opportunities. Any good/bad experiences with specific companies or groups appreciated.

Cheer.

Joseph Crunkilton · Answer

@Mitchel Schwindt

I had a good experience with @Zach Lemaster over at Rent to Retirement. They've been a great resource in getting my buy and hold portfolio set up. They can provide what you're looking for and are highly reviewed.

Ron Todd · Answer

I really enjoyed working with Table investments in OKC. They will take the time to answer your questions, don't use any hard sale tactics, and genuinely care about the investor. I don't get paid to endorse them, I'm just impressed with how they do business.

Chris Clothier · Answer

Another tip is to ask if they are getting paid for their endorsement.  You would be surprised how many people post the same positive comments or are always the same reference because they are getting paid.  Doesn't mean they're not a client or even that they are not happy.  It just means they are getting paid to say nice things, so be sure and ask if someone is getting paid for referrals or endorsement and not disclosing it is a serious red flag on the poster or reference and the company.

Chris Clothier · Answer

Hey Mitchel,

I posted the below answer on someone who had the same question a couple of weeks back https://www.biggerpockets.com/...

Hope you don't mind that I cut and pasted it - it was a long answer!

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As an actual provider, I can't give you advice on experience although I originally started investing passively back in 2003 in essentially turnkey properties before the marketing of the name really took off. I wrote a book called the Turnkey Revolution and based a lot of it on advise I've given here on BP. Here are some questions that I have posted many, many times here on BP that you should be asking a property management company and absolutely asking any Turnkey company you are going to do business with. I'm happy to give what I think are the best answers to these as well. Again, I made this list based on my own experiences.

Two important things to remember. One, if they don't have time to spend with you and answer your questions in detail and discuss them, in my opinion, move on. Two, a key about asking questions is to ask a mirror question. Many companies have learned how to sell and how to market and certainly how to answer questions like this. Often answers are scripted and your job as an investor is to ask the right questions in the right way to answer for yourself whether you can trust what you re hearing. It is also important to remember that investors like myself always advise meeting who you're going to do business with. That is important because it allows you to see for yourself if the answers you heard match what you see on the ground. A mirror question is where you ask what is the average vacancy rate each month. Write down the answer. Sometime later in the conversation you ask the mirror question of what is your average occupancy each month. Write that answer down.

A high quality company will be on top of their KPI's and their numbers will match. A 3.5% vacancy number will match a 96.5% occupancy number.

Lastly, after you have their numbers research what you were told. I'll never forget a conversation with an investor who was amazed that a turnkey company had a 1.5% vacancy rate and a 98.5% occupancy. It sounded amazing. He asked how many properties they managed and the answer was roughly 1500. He then went onto their website online and researched their property management online and was shocked. Their website listed 198 properties for rent. They had an ad online for prospective tenants advertising 200+ vacant rentals. Their true vacancy rate was roughly 13% not 1.5%. But they felt like they had to market a low rate to "keep up with the Joneses". So ask your questions, get your data and do your research.

Are you an investor?

Do you own in the exact neighborhoods you are selling?

How many investors do you work with?

Do you own all facets of the operation?

Do you offer rental or maintenance guarantees? If they answer yes, ask them why. Then ask them if they will put the guarantee on year three.

Do you defer maintenance?

How many properties do you manage?

Do you own the properties you sell?

How long have you been in the business?

What is your average vacancy rate?

What percentage of expiring leases will renew their lease each month?

What percentage of signed leases fulfill their full term?

What is the average number of days a property is vacant between tenants, move-out to move-in?

What percentage of billed rent do you collect each month?

What is the cost of an average repair bill after move-out?

What are your management fees?

What percentage of collected rent goes to yearly maintenance on average?

What is your average number-of-months occupancy per property?

What is your average occupancy rate?

What programs do you have in place to keep residents happy?

What customer service programs do you have in place?

Will you call me every month with an update on my portfolio?

How many team members are dedicated solely to providing service to your clients?

What has been your biggest mistake as an investor? How do you protect your clients from making the same mistakes?

Jesse Daconta · Answer

@Mitchel Schwindt

Ask each company you're looking at for 3 references. Talk to the references and ask for someone else that they know who also works with the company. You'll figure out which company is good pretty quick this way.

Best,

Mitchel Schwindt · Answer

Very helpful. Thanks for sharing your insight.

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