What to do with $5 million?

What to do with $5 million?

Real Estate Investor · Bountiful, UT · Member since 2015 · 2 posts · 0 votes

I have a client that I will be relinquishing a $5 million property in the next month. It is under threat of condemnation so it falls under IRC 1033 and therefore she has three years to find replacement properties and does not require in intermediary.  My questions relate to investment ideas for the $5 million. If she fails to acquire replacement properties she'll owe roughly $1.5 million in taxes.  Her goals are two fold, 1) expand her portfolio on a yearly basis and 2) income producing properties that she can live off the returns ($250,000 annually).  I am aiding her with the relquishment transaction and would love to give her some strategy options.  I am NOT looking for people telling her to invest in their specific properties, but for strategies or investing plans.  If you had $5 million dollars you were required to invest in real estate what would you do?  Commercial? Multi-Family? REITs? Short-Term Rentals? Debt? Combination of everything?  Open to all ideas!

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Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
6y

pretty much what you mention.. either invest with others and let them do the heavy lifting or she can buy her own assets and hire PM to manage...   but suffice it to say.. buy quality assets in a very stable market..

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  • Yonah WeissPro Member
    Cost Segregation Expert and Investor · Lakewood, NJ · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    6y

    @Jake Anderson it's a good problem to have. :)

    You said it yourself, she is looking to live off the returns (i.e. cashflow) I think her best option with that amount of money, is to diversify. NNN properties, Large MF cash-flowing properties (or passiely investing in syndications), and debt. Those are probably the lowest risk/highest positive cash-flow investments.

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    6y

    pretty much what you mention.. either invest with others and let them do the heavy lifting or she can buy her own assets and hire PM to manage...   but suffice it to say.. buy quality assets in a very stable market..

  • Investor · Greenville, SC · Member since 2016 · 5k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    6y

    This is a loaded question that is near impossible to answer without extensive financial information on your client's age, responsibilities, income sources, other investments, insurance, medical needs, the list goes on and on. With the limited information, maybe get a commercial buyer's broker, purchase a $5 million NNN property with leverage, and avoid the tax man. I don't believe you need to invest the full $5 million...just need like value. Take the remaining $3.5 million and put it in something very conservative. Equity investing in anything for living expenses is a much higher risk proposition than most people would recommend.

  • Rental Property Investor · Erie, PA · Member since 2018 · 6k+ posts · 9k+ votes
    6y

    Invest in lotto tickets ! Think how many he can buy with 5 million bucks .might even hit it big 

  • Real Estate Agent · Chicago, IL · Member since 2017 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    6y

    Class A and B+ multi units. Diversify a few areas. With 5 million she could even buy 5 one million 4 flats very easy to oversee at mid 6 caps in A areas of major cities vs more headache more units in cheap areas. 

  • Specialist · Columbus, GA · Member since 2018 · 28 posts · 13 votes
    6y

    @Jake Anderson

    I’d personally go with self storage and/or boat/rv storage.

    Less headaches. Minimal upkeep. Very easy to set up to manage itself with automated websites, online payments, and gate codes with auto access.

    From personal experience, a friend of mine invested in a boat/rv storage facility (only some covered areas, no enclosed units). It was failing but was in an upscale area near a lake and lots of subdivisions with HOAs that don’t allow storage at home. He turned the place around with marketing and automation and within two years sold it and profited handsomely in the sale, all while collecting great profits during the two years of ownership.

    He’s working on developing one from scratch now to do the same thing again.

    If you have $5mil to invest and it has to be in real estate, you could go with multi family or something with a large number of units, but your client needs to consider what their capabilities are. Are they going to manage themselves, or hire a PM. What about maintenance? For me, the increased exposure of many people in multiple properties does not feel like the way to go when I could, for $5 mil, have a couple hundred family units, all with their own issues and sob stories when rent is due.

    Self storage only has traffic when people move in or out. Other than that, you don’t really have anyone there. Less risk. You can tuck the facility off the beaten path and as long as your marketing is great and you’re priced competitively, you’re fine.

    People always need places to put their stuff..... (I should know, I’m actually renting 3 units myself right now due to a personal downsizing)

  • Developer · NY/NJ/PA · Member since 2018 · 758 posts · 935 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Danny Redding:

     but your client needs to consider what their capabilities are. Are they going to manage themselves, or hire a PM. What about maintenance? For me, the increased exposure of many people in multiple properties does not feel like the way to go when I could, for $5 mil, have a couple hundred family units, all with their own issues and sob stories when rent is due.

    With $5m in equity you can buy institutional quality assets in class A/B areas. Core/Core+ properties. You don't deal with "sob stories". At that level the quality of the PM's are much higher and actually more passive. It's the 1%+ properties on BP that you hear about that are the ones you have to hand hold to make money. 

  • Specialist · Columbus, GA · Member since 2018 · 28 posts · 13 votes
    6y

    @Syed H.

    My thoughts are capitalizing on the initial investment. Self storage could be one or two, maybe three facilities depending on the market they’re in. You pay property taxes on a couple of properties.

    If you get multiple SFR's or MFR's then you're looking at more property taxes, more roofs to repair, more faucets leaking, etc. it's all in the scale of things.

    I come from a background where my grandfather had over 100 mobile homes and nearly 40 single family. I helped with repairs on a lot of them before I started my career with my own automotive financial services company. Now that he’s passed on, I have actually had to step in to manage 30 single family and two mobile home parks that are borderline condemned.

    The upkeep is astronomical. If it wasn’t for other family involved, I’d bulldoze most of it, redevelop into commercial what I could, and liquidate the rest. These are mostly C properties. A few D’s. And some might even be Z, they’re that far gone.

    Without knowing other personal details for this client and their situation, we can only speculate about their abilities to self manage. If they have another career and a family, they probably won’t want to have the headache of multiple homes. Even if they are A class properties.

    From what I’ve seen, the return on A class is so low now compared to the initial cost of entry into that home. You’re looking at $200-250k+ per A class even in more depressed areas. But you’re only going to be able to get what, $1800-2200 a month rent? $5 mil might get you 20 homes but then you need reserves for things that break.

    That’s why I’m saying self storage.

    Wages are not rising as fast as the cost of real estate. You’ll have better returns with B class property but you’re more hands on. The cost of inflation is getting out of hand in my opinion.

  • Rental Property Investor · Portland OR · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    6y

    She will be well set for life with 5M invested in A/B MF..  i only know what has worked for me, and suggest finding a very good commercial agent/asset manager to help figure out the details.    

    I think MF would be better than storage as people always need a place to live and higher end properties tend to have higher end tenants.....

  • Rental Property Investor · Glen Rock, NJ · Member since 2015 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    6y

    @Jake Anderson

    While there're plenty of strategies and asset classes your client may potentially invest in, someone (either your client, or you, or another third party) must take the time to educate themselves on such strategies to avoid blindly dumping the funds in NNN lease or syndication or something else.

    Here're the steps I suggest taking:

    1) educate yourself on various passive investing strategies. It doesn't sound like your client is interested to be an active investor. If you think you client is still undecided as to whether to go active or passive, here's an article to help guide them further:

    https://www.biggerpockets.com/member-blogs/10850/84064-what-type-of-investor-to-be-when-i-grow-up-active-or-passiv

    2) pick several asset classes from #1 to invest in and diversify your portfolio. While I personally like syndications as a passive investing strategy, it is certainly one of several other options. 

    Here's my take on syndications: 

    https://www.biggerpockets.com/member-blogs/10850/86626-the-pros-and-cons-of-investing-via-real-estate-syndication

    3) work closely with a CPA to ensure each and every transaction is qualified based on 1033 exchange rulings. 

    There're plenty here on BP in case your client doesn't have one yet. You'd want to have a CPA that is well versed in real estate, ideally a real estate investor themselves. 

    Best of luck!

  • Developer · NY/NJ/PA · Member since 2018 · 758 posts · 935 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Danny Redding:

    @Syed H.

    My thoughts are capitalizing on the initial investment. Self storage could be one or two, maybe three facilities depending on the market they’re in. You pay property taxes on a couple of properties.

    If you get multiple SFR's or MFR's then you're looking at more property taxes, more roofs to repair, more faucets leaking, etc. it's all in the scale of things.

    I come from a background where my grandfather had over 100 mobile homes and nearly 40 single family. I helped with repairs on a lot of them before I started my career with my own automotive financial services company. Now that he’s passed on, I have actually had to step in to manage 30 single family and two mobile home parks that are borderline condemned.

    The upkeep is astronomical. If it wasn’t for other family involved, I’d bulldoze most of it, redevelop into commercial what I could, and liquidate the rest. These are mostly C properties. A few D’s. And some might even be Z, they’re that far gone.

    Without knowing other personal details for this client and their situation, we can only speculate about their abilities to self manage. If they have another career and a family, they probably won’t want to have the headache of multiple homes. Even if they are A class properties.

    From what I’ve seen, the return on A class is so low now compared to the initial cost of entry into that home. You’re looking at $200-250k+ per A class even in more depressed areas. But you’re only going to be able to get what, $1800-2200 a month rent? $5 mil might get you 20 homes but then you need reserves for things that break.

    That’s why I’m saying self storage.

    Wages are not rising as fast as the cost of real estate. You’ll have better returns with B class property but you’re more hands on. The cost of inflation is getting out of hand in my opinion.

    We are talking about 2 different worlds. Your experience of mobile homes and SFHs are small scale. For mom & pop investors. 

    "class A" SFH's are not investment properties. Thats why they cash flow like crap. Those are homes for Owner occupiers.

    Apartment buildings in Class A/B areas are middle market/institutional investments. With $5m in equity she can go buy a $20m apartment building with a COC returns around 6-10% with an institutional PM. These are a lot more passive than the types of properties you're talking about.

    Also I never said self storage was bad. But there are pitfalls in self storage as well. Bad operators/PMs can mess up returns on both MF & self storage. 

  • Specialist · Columbus, GA · Member since 2018 · 28 posts · 13 votes
    6y

    @Syed H.

    Agreed!

  • Contractor · Nashville, TN · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    6y

    Put it all in gold in a hole in her backyard.

  • Investor · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2015 · 764 posts · 953 votes
    6y

    5% yield (250k on 5m) is too low for my money.  I only eat my own cooking since I own my own management infrastructure.  

    IF I only wanted a 5% yield I'd sell all my apartments and acquire national credit NNN real estate in "main and main" locations in steady growth/mature suburbs/edge cities (example Carmel, IN).

    Personally I'd want at least 12% levered yield. Debt is extremely cheap and apartments are the ONE asset class that can access 35 year amort and rate lock.

  • John FortesPro Member
    Multi-Family Syndicator · Abington, MA · Member since 2017 · 603 posts · 347 votes
    6y

    Loaded question here but the need in which you stated is for tax purposes and cash flow. Either she is to remain active or passive which is first decision. What end of the spectrum does she want to be on? Also, would you break it up into multiple assets and opportunities? Does it need to be the whole $5MM as a total or the value of $5MM? Too many questions to provide a simple solution but it starts with her position in life, age and goals at this point of her life. What we can suggest here might not be relevant to her at this point of her life or vice versa, it might suit very well. Plus the differences of opinions being offered here might contradict because most are answering through the lens of their current situation. 

    Good luck, happy investing and Merry Christmas! 

  • Paul MoorePro Member
    Commercial Real Estate Fund Manager · Lynchburg, VA · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    6y

    Hi @Jake Anderson and Happy New Year!  I would recommend the same strategy that I use: Find 2-3 trustworthy commercial real estate syndicators with long track records of deals that went full cycle and hundreds of happy investors. Invest passively with them. 

    Your client will get the benefit of debt, asset management, professional property management, and the ongoing tax benefits, recession-resistance, and risk mitigation that come from commercial real estate. But she won't have to do the heavy lifting. 

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