Don't get ahead of yourself.

Don't get ahead of yourself.

Fallbrook, CA · Member since 2015 · 8 posts · 0 votes

Yesterday I had the privilege of speaking with a 42 year real estate broker.  I spoke with him about tax lien certificates and tax deeds and how this is where I thought I would start.

He sat back and smiled and asked me how much capital I had. When I told him I didn't have any capital his smile got bigger and he said that is a very good thing.  The competition is stiff and a novice does not stand a chance. He would hate to see me throw my money away. Also he said TLC"s do not hardly exist anymore and you will have a hard time finding them.  (I live in California)  Tax deeds will go to organizations backed with a butt load of capital.  Anything left over, such as over the counter properties are not for novices.  If you don't have a contractor and crew and knowledge of what you are doing,  it could ruin you financially. 

Here is his advice. First and foremost, you need a license. Don't listen to anyone who tells you you don't need one. Not having a license is foolish. How does one go about getting this license when they don't have the money these people advertise courses for on the internet? You go to your local Coldwell Banker and tell them your story. They will take you on and basically you spend the next two years being a sponge. Absorbing all the knowledge you need to be successful. You won't make squat as far as income goes but within two years you will have hands on experience and education you can't beat.  

Now you are ready to move on and strike out on your own. Well prepared and ready for battle. 

I can't argue with 42 years experience . Some of you can and I am sure there will be differences of opinion. But that just makes for good conversation.  Also I don't know if Coldwell Banker is nationwide but I believe so. If not, look for a similar company in your neck of the woods.

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Rental Property Investor · Rockford, IL · Member since 2014 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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Originally posted by @Aleesha Gunther:

Yesterday I had the privilege of speaking with a 42 year real estate broker.  I spoke with him about tax lien certificates and tax deeds and how this is where I thought I would start.

He sat back and smiled and asked me how much capital I had. When I told him I didn't have any capital his smile got bigger and he said that is a very good thing.  The competition is stiff and a novice does not stand a chance. He would hate to see me throw my money away. Also he said TLC"s do not hardly exist anymore and you will have a hard time finding them.  (I live in California)  Tax deeds will go to organizations backed with a butt load of capital.  Anything left over, such as over the counter properties are not for novices.  If you don't have a contractor and crew and knowledge of what you are doing,  it could ruin you financially. 

Here is his advice. First and foremost, you need a license. Don't listen to anyone who tells you you don't need one. Not having a license is foolish. How does one go about getting this license when they don't have the money these people advertise courses for on the internet? You go to your local Coldwell Banker and tell them your story. They will take you on and basically you spend the next two years being a sponge. Absorbing all the knowledge you need to be successful. You won't make squat as far as income goes but within two years you will have hands on experience and education you can't beat.  

Now you are ready to move on and strike out on your own. Well prepared and ready for battle. 

I can't argue with 42 years experience . Some of you can and I am sure there will be differences of opinion. But that just makes for good conversation.  Also I don't know if Coldwell Banker is nationwide but I believe so. If not, look for a similar company in your neck of the woods.

Boy! I'm gonna get blasted for this...

My boss once pulled "my 50 years of experience makes me always right" out of his butt. That was about three years ago. He still hasn't earned my respect back.

Um, no - you don't NEED a license unless you intend to sell other people's property on their behalf.  You would do well to understand the limitations of being licensed vs the benefits, and the limitations of not being licensed vs the benefits of that. Then, weigh the two in light of each's pros can cons and arrive at your own decision.

The people advertising courses on TV aren't selling agent licensing courses, unless it's a real estate broker hawking pre-licensing classes offered by the organization with which he is affiliated.

Being a licensed agent does NOT mean you've been trained to invest. It means you've been trained in protocols, procedures and contracts, little more. Once licensed, you then connect with a broker to gain access to his organization's marketing resources.

... and yes, Coldwell Banker is nationwide. Unfortunate name - Bankers have kind of a bad rep these days in some ways...

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  • Architect · Dayton, OH · Member since 2015 · 50 posts · 19 votes
    10y

    Look outside California. It is about the worst (most expensive, most competition) place for deeds, and I think your agent is right - they don't even do liens there.

  • Investor · Riverside, CA · Member since 2014 · 351 posts · 220 votes
    10y

    I would never argue with 42 years of experience, but failure is good.  Fail foreword..... is not just some stupid catch phrase, its real.  I have had some nice ultra "experienced" investor friends/family that forgot how failure got them to the next huge place in their life.  I can think of many ways to create income, even wealth with very little cash in today's market but the experience that allows me to see and understand these systems is the success and failure of the past.

    There is 100's even 1000's of ways to make money in the affiliated real estate markets available to all of us.  The fact is going outside of my local market is something I just don't have time for.  There are just to many deals literally with in walking distance from my home "well with in a mile or so". Today I made an offer on a home down the street, the owner put a sign on it them self. shame on me, "the area expert" and i didn't even know they wanted to sell.  There are more deals in our back yards than we could ever do in a year,  Let's all go get them.

    Jim

  • Rental Property Investor · Rockford, IL · Member since 2014 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Aleesha Gunther:

    Yesterday I had the privilege of speaking with a 42 year real estate broker.  I spoke with him about tax lien certificates and tax deeds and how this is where I thought I would start.

    He sat back and smiled and asked me how much capital I had. When I told him I didn't have any capital his smile got bigger and he said that is a very good thing.  The competition is stiff and a novice does not stand a chance. He would hate to see me throw my money away. Also he said TLC"s do not hardly exist anymore and you will have a hard time finding them.  (I live in California)  Tax deeds will go to organizations backed with a butt load of capital.  Anything left over, such as over the counter properties are not for novices.  If you don't have a contractor and crew and knowledge of what you are doing,  it could ruin you financially. 

    Here is his advice. First and foremost, you need a license. Don't listen to anyone who tells you you don't need one. Not having a license is foolish. How does one go about getting this license when they don't have the money these people advertise courses for on the internet? You go to your local Coldwell Banker and tell them your story. They will take you on and basically you spend the next two years being a sponge. Absorbing all the knowledge you need to be successful. You won't make squat as far as income goes but within two years you will have hands on experience and education you can't beat.  

    Now you are ready to move on and strike out on your own. Well prepared and ready for battle. 

    I can't argue with 42 years experience . Some of you can and I am sure there will be differences of opinion. But that just makes for good conversation.  Also I don't know if Coldwell Banker is nationwide but I believe so. If not, look for a similar company in your neck of the woods.

    Boy! I'm gonna get blasted for this...

    My boss once pulled "my 50 years of experience makes me always right" out of his butt. That was about three years ago. He still hasn't earned my respect back.

    Um, no - you don't NEED a license unless you intend to sell other people's property on their behalf.  You would do well to understand the limitations of being licensed vs the benefits, and the limitations of not being licensed vs the benefits of that. Then, weigh the two in light of each's pros can cons and arrive at your own decision.

    The people advertising courses on TV aren't selling agent licensing courses, unless it's a real estate broker hawking pre-licensing classes offered by the organization with which he is affiliated.

    Being a licensed agent does NOT mean you've been trained to invest. It means you've been trained in protocols, procedures and contracts, little more. Once licensed, you then connect with a broker to gain access to his organization's marketing resources.

    ... and yes, Coldwell Banker is nationwide. Unfortunate name - Bankers have kind of a bad rep these days in some ways...

  • Real Estate Broker · Redwood City, CA · Member since 2014 · 679 posts · 888 votes
    10y
    Comparing getting trained by those a High price training courses versus getting some training through licensing courses: Cost: licensing courses are a lot cheaper. You can do it online. I spent just a few hundred bucks to get through these courses. I never paid any guru for training. I think that is not worth it. On the other hand, I did learn something from those licensing courses, albeit not much. The important stuff you can learn is the legal aspect and some general terminology. If you are starting out, with no experience whatsoever, getting a agent license may not be a bad thing. Do not take any real courses, just do it online. But most importantly, bigger pocket has more content than most of those courses in terms of business side. Your hands on experience will worth the most.
  • Fallbrook, CA · Member since 2015 · 8 posts · 0 votes
    10y

    Thanks guys!  And no David you will not get blasted. No one will get blasted.  All opinions are great and only increase my knowledge. I never like to take just one persons opinion on anything because there are always numerous ways to accomplish your goals.  Different opinions and experiences open up new paths and new ideas. So keep the comments coming. Basically what I would like to know is where do you start when you live in very expensive California and don't have capital coming out the ying yang.  Average price of a home where I live is $499,900.  Which is nothing compared to San Francisco or properties on the coast. Is San Fran also on the coast? Perhaps I should take a geography class. 

    Anyways, keep talking everyone.

  • Fallbrook, CA · Member since 2015 · 8 posts · 0 votes
    10y

    Oh yea.  I forgot to mention. I have absolutely no desire to sell other peoples properties. It has always baffled me as to why anyone would want to do that. But to each their own. Different personalities are what makes this world interesting.  I personally couldn't sell ice water to someone dying of thirst. So I have the utmost respect for those who can.

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    Investor · Baltimore, MD · Member since 2008 · 17k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    10y

    When I was just getting started in real estate a very good attorney was helping my and my partner out. I mentioned tax liens. He said "There are a lot of sharks in that business, you won't be able to complete."

    Best advice I ever got. It made me  so motivated to prove him wrong, I now buy about $2 Million in tax liens a year.

    That said, it is a tough business. You can start small - I did. But you need to know what you are doing.

  • Fallbrook, CA · Member since 2015 · 8 posts · 0 votes
    10y

    I think I am going to hang out here a bit longer before I make any final decisions. Bigger Pockets is like my own safe little haven where I have access to all the information I need. Now I just need to figure out what questions I should be asking.

    Thanks to everyone for your input.

  • Rental Property Investor · Dallas, TX · Member since 2015 · 243 posts · 70 votes
    10y

    I live in Ca., however invest in Texas-great opportunity there.

  • Residential Real Estate Broker · San Mateo, CA · Member since 2013 · 585 posts · 264 votes
    10y

    @David Dachtera I completely agree.

    @Aleesha Gunther it is not the "same" thing as learning it through experience, but go listen to every BP Podcast. You can do it at x2 speed and get more than 10 years of an education in less than a few days. Take notes and write down what you do not understand.

    There are pros and cons of becoming an agent. The thing you need to remember is you are held to a higher standard most of the time (just like lawyers, doctors, CPAs) because you can have your license taken away. 

    But a license itself does not give you any experience. It just allows you to go and represent others. I speak with people all of the time that are not licensed. They have their own advantages going into every deal as a result (and I have mine being a broker).

    I do not know how you learn best, and maybe you would have a great experience doing what he advised. There is an "old way" of doing things that does work. There are also other ways that I believe are just as good, if not better.

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