The 5 Biggest Mistakes New Investors Are Making Here In The Forums

[Jonathan Greene]

These are here to help you make better connections in the forums. It's ok to be new, but if you consider these five tips, you will get much better responses to your questions.

1. Writing too little or too much in a post looking for answers. There is a happy medium out there. If you write a novel, most of us won't read it because it's just too much. If you write too little, we have nothing to go on. Ask one question and tell everyone what you have done up to this point to get the answers. Also, give relevant information on rates, prices, square footage, etc.

2. Asking for a mentor without having anything to give. This is running rampant. It's great to get in the forums and look to make connections, but when you only put your hand out and ask for help and have nothing to give back, you are only going to get people who are going to pitch you. A few locals may reach out (more likely local agents), but you will never hear back if you hop on that call and only want to take from them.

3. Being fragile when you don't get the responses you want. If someone doesn't give you the answer you want and you clap back, your time in the forums will be short. Not because you will get removed but because you aren't open to advice. Sometimes, you will ask one question, but pros will have other questions to see if you are even asking the right question. Open forums aren't the best option if you are prone to fragility.

4. Asking questions without researching how often the same question has been asked. See "Should I start an LLC?" as an example. If you want to get the best responses, don't ask a question that has been asked a million times. Do your due diligence in the forums, looking for other answers, and use those to frame a better question.

5. Posting the same question in multiple forums. This is a definite no-no. Please stop. Pick one forum where your question makes the most sense. If it's a good question, we will find it. If you post the same question in several forums, we all know it's spam. You know it's spam. Don't spam.

If you are an experienced commenter here, let everyone know what you think of these to help them even more. Add some of your own.

If you are new, please use these to help yourself get better answers here.

[FR W.]

Quote from @Dan H.:

Quote from @FR W.:

The level of professionalism is astounding (and childish).  Name calling... insults.  Are you the only one who can have an opinion?  Or an idea?  Or a point of view?  

And yet, Jonathan's not hiding his identity behind initials and no picture.

 If I had to do it over again, I would have used “Dan H”.  with my last name I am very easy to identify.  There are also many weird people out there.  Some that believe all LL are evil and that they should not expect to make money for the risk, investment, and effort of investing in residential RE.  I continuously run into more people like this (I am sure living in Ca does not help).  What virtually all these people have in common is they know less than $hit about RE.  They feel they have 0 opportunity but at the conferences and REA meeting I go to I meet young people with a different attitude that appear to be on a great path to success.  

I recently attended the MTR summit.  There were a lot of young hustlers.  2 local girls worked supporting the summit to go.  They made a good pitch to try to manage my STRs.  I loved their enthusiasm and hustle.  As near as I can determine they own no Properties but co-host some and are eager to grow.  Their mindset was so different than the socialist that believe housing is a divine right and they should be able to live wherever they want.  I know who will be more successful and it is not those that think they should be provided free/low cost housing in San diego for doing virtually nothing. 

My point is I understand wanting some anonymity.  I wish I had more anonymity with respect to BP. 

Anyone at BP want to help getting my user name changed to “Dan h” or “Dan R H”?

Good idea, Dan H.  When you're dealing with the internet, there are just so many trolls and childish folks running around who will do their best to "harm" or hurt you in anyway they can when you do something as simple as disagree with them, or have a different view point from theirs.  I knew exactly what I was doing using my initials.  Many others I know of who have come across the kind of childish, indecent kind of folks I mentioned above, always say the same thing, "I wish I had started out using only my initials and not posting my photo."  Regarding changing your name, I don't do much around BP as I'm "busy," - the real kind of busy that keeps me from posting here all day, but reach out to BP and maybe they can help you with that.  All the best, Dan!

[Theresa Harris]

Nice list.  1 and 4 are important.  When people are new, they are learning but the search function is the best place to start.

[FR W.]

Quote from @Jonathan Greene

Quote from @FR W.:

The level of professionalism is astounding (and childish).  Name calling... insults.  Are you the only one who can have an opinion?  Or an idea?  Or a point of view?  

And yet, Jonathan's not hiding his identity behind initials and no picture.

I don't typically respond to these types of comments, simply because they are so funny and childish, but, I'll make your weekend.  FYI, I'm not hiding.  Who are you, anyway?  His spokesperson?  Oh, yes, you're one of the ones who are here to to applaud everything he does so he doesn't go after YOU.  Have an amazing weekend, dear!  :)  THE END. That means, #YouAreDismissed.

1. No photo
2. No name
3. Saying you don't respond when literally that is all you have been doing for days on here.
4. Chastising someone else for not agreeing with you.

No one is worried about me going after them. Do you not understand how this works? I made a very helpful post (see original) and you keep showing up crying and hyperventilating online.

You are embarrassing yourself. You will never "win" this debate, nor general favor here. Just pack it in. You are a lurker - no photo, no name.

You know, for someone who is as busy as you say you are, you spend an awful lot of time here trying to bully others.  Someone choosing to use their initials and someone who chooses to not use a photo (as there are MANY, MANY, MANY folks here who have made these choices), means absolutely nothing.  Chastising?  I've chastised no one. That would be you.  BULLYING others - that would also be you.  No one is worried about you going after them?  That's a joke.  That's why they agree with you, because they have witnessed your childish behavior here and in other areas around here.  I will never "win" this debate?   I'm not trying to win, that would be you. Embarrassing?  Also you.  Crying and hyperventilating?  Your behavior is beyond childish.  The name calling that you do around this platform, is what keeps so many others from challenging you.  But this weekend, you got the RIGHT one.  You got me.  And because I know that you like to have the last word, I'll keep coming back, so that you don't think you've won.  Lurker?  Oh, I suppose everyone on BP who has no photo and choose to use their initials are lurkers then.  

You're funny.  Remember, you got me.  And you're making my day.  

And FYI, I'll take lurking any day over being a BULLY.  Which is what you are.

And please note, I'm not here trying to win any favor - that would be you.  As one of the commenters posted yesterday, you use that bogus line of trying to help others here as your way of getting away with your nasty behavior.  But, those who are not afraid to think for themselves aren't buying it.  Try harder.  And while you're at it, work on adding decency to your life.  Maybe then your "words" that would lead others to believe you're only here helping others, will land better.

HAVE AN AMAZING DAY :)

[FR W.]

Quote from @Bradley Buxton:

These are here to help you make better connections in the forums. It's ok to be new, but if you consider these five tips, you will get much better responses to your questions.

1. Writing too little or too much in a post looking for answers. There is a happy medium out there. If you write a novel, most of us won't read it because it's just too much. If you write too little, we have nothing to go on. Ask one question and tell everyone what you have done up to this point to get the answers. Also, give relevant information on rates, prices, square footage, etc.

2. Asking for a mentor without having anything to give. This is running rampant. It's great to get in the forums and look to make connections, but when you only put your hand out and ask for help and have nothing to give back, you are only going to get people who are going to pitch you. A few locals may reach out (more likely local agents), but you will never hear back if you hop on that call and only want to take from them.

3. Being fragile when you don't get the responses you want. If someone doesn't give you the answer you want and you clap back, your time in the forums will be short. Not because you will get removed but because you aren't open to advice. Sometimes, you will ask one question, but pros will have other questions to see if you are even asking the right question. Open forums aren't the best option if you are prone to fragility.

4. Asking questions without researching how often the same question has been asked. See "Should I start an LLC?" as an example. If you want to get the best responses, don't ask a question that has been asked a million times. Do your due diligence in the forums, looking for other answers, and use those to frame a better question.

5. Posting the same question in multiple forums. This is a definite no-no. Please stop. Pick one forum where your question makes the most sense. If it's a good question, we will find it. If you post the same question in several forums, we all know it's spam. You know it's spam. Don't spam.

If you are an experienced commenter here, let everyone know what you think of these to help them even more. Add some of your own.

If you are new, please use these to help yourself get better answers here.

 I think of these forums when answering questions for newbies as a service to help and guide others, whether in their questions or with how to ask or answers. If there is a question I don't like or how it's asked I don't answer it. I feel no obligation and want to foster a welcoming environment where people can ask "stupid" questions. Real estate can be scary and hard and some have a hard time formulating the perfect question to ask. Make it easier for people to learn and feel welcome in the community.  I also agree that spam and guru's offering get rich quick have no place here where people are trying to learn. Also it does help new people more when they to do research and then ask a question to get better responses which I think what this post is getting at.  I keep in mind that every one has a different situation and experience.

"I feel no obligation and want to foster a welcoming environment where
people can ask "stupid" questions. Real estate can be scary and hard and
some have a hard time formulating the perfect question to ask. Make it
easier for people to learn and feel welcome in the community."

Thank you for sharing that above.  I agree.  People don't know what they don't know, or what they don't know yet.  Sometimes people don't know because the atmosphere they are venturing into is so negatively charged (by comments) that they are afraid that someone will embarrass them with a negative response, when all they are trying to do is learn.  It doesn't take much at all to just be kind.  

[FR W.]

Quote from @Kevin S.:

@Jonathan Greene

You don't have to wait.  I am already successful in what I do.  In my world you would be lucky if you could be successful in 60 yrs.  In my world we don't insult or have name calling.  I wish you another successful 30 yrs in what you do.  

 Bravo, Kevin!  Wish "them" well.  No insults needed :)

[Jim K.]

Quote from @Dan H.:

Quote from @Jim K.:

Quote from @FR W.:

The level of professionalism is astounding (and childish).  Name calling... insults.  Are you the only one who can have an opinion?  Or an idea?  Or a point of view?  

And yet, Jonathan's not hiding his identity behind initials and no picture.

 If I had to do it over again, I would have used “Dan H”.  with my last name I am very easy to identify.  There are also many weird people out there.  Some that believe all LL are evil and that they should not expect to make money for the risk, investment, and effort of investing in residential RE.  I continuously run into more people like this (I am sure living in Ca does not help).  What virtually all these people have in common is they know less than $hit about RE.  They feel they have 0 opportunity but at the conferences and REA meeting I go to I meet young people with a different attitude that appear to be on a great path to success.  

I recently attended the MTR summit.  There were a lot of young hustlers.  2 local girls worked supporting the summit to go.  They made a good pitch to try to manage my STRs.  I loved their enthusiasm and hustle.  As near as I can determine they own no Properties but co-host some and are eager to grow.  Their mindset was so different than the socialist that believe housing is a divine right and they should be able to live wherever they want.  I know who will be more successful and it is not those that think they should be provided free/low cost housing in San diego for doing virtually nothing. 

My point is I understand wanting some anonymity.  I wish I had more anonymity with respect to BP. 

Anyone at BP want to help getting my user name changed to “Dan h” or “Dan R H”?

 Yeah, well, Dan, I'm hiding my last name, too, because I don't want people tracking me down to steal my gold Krugerrands, but my first name is, indeed, Jim and yeah, that's my mug.

[Jim K.]

The theme music to this thread should really be "I'm Just Ken."

[Kevin S.]

@Bradley Buxton

Thank you for your thoughtful comments.  Not everyone think like you as you can very well see on this thread. 

[Kevin S.]

@FR W.

I have only been defending newbies while admitting their faults at the same time but keep getting insults.  For the life of me I don't understand how some seasoned pros think it's ok to do that.  Even more baffling is watching other pros joining in on that.  Last one being Jim K. who took it another level!  Newbies are largely wrong, I get that, but for a reason.  What reason do seasoned pros has to not just be understanding of that?  

Only a couple dared to chime in and break away from the 'club' which I largely appreciate. 

[Sandra Youkhana]

These tips are really helpful, especially for newcomers to the forums. I think the point about finding the right balance in the length of your posts is crucial. It's important to provide enough information for others to understand your question, but not so much that it becomes overwhelming. Also, the reminder to be open to advice and not to react negatively when receiving responses that may not align with our expectations is an important one. It's all about fostering a positive and constructive environment for discussions.

[Kevin S.]

@Jim K.

I could respond in kind to your comment but will refrain from doing that.  

If you have a disagreement? There's nothing wrong.

If you have a different opinion? That's actually good.

If you want to belittle and demean?  It's not ok.

Posting uncivilized comments?  Show some restrain.

[Jim K.]

@Kevin S.

@FR W.

Real estate is really, really, really HARD.

If you ever manage to do anything in it, you're going to look back at these posts and ruefully laugh at yourself over them.

[Kevin S.]

@Jim K.

I am sure it is really, really hard.  Not harder than understanding some people's impression of themselves.  Having said that it's not entirely true.  I have someone here on BP who is making it easier for me.  I am thankful to him.  

Laughing at these post?  Probably.  I couldn't disagree at this point is my honest answer.  One thing I won't be doing is laugh at another newbie's post or indicating to a newbie he/she will laugh at their own post.  

'If' is not the word.  I will be doing it.

[Jim K.]

Quote from @Kevin S.:

@Jim K.

'If' is not the word.  I will be doing it.

"Aut inveniam viam aut faciam"

Best of luck going forward.

[Jonathan Greene]

Quote from @FR W.:

Quote from @Jonathan Greene

Quote from @FR W.:

The level of professionalism is astounding (and childish).  Name calling... insults.  Are you the only one who can have an opinion?  Or an idea?  Or a point of view?  

And yet, Jonathan's not hiding his identity behind initials and no picture.

I don't typically respond to these types of comments, simply because they are so funny and childish, but, I'll make your weekend.  FYI, I'm not hiding.  Who are you, anyway?  His spokesperson?  Oh, yes, you're one of the ones who are here to to applaud everything he does so he doesn't go after YOU.  Have an amazing weekend, dear!  :)  THE END. That means, #YouAreDismissed.

1. No photo
2. No name
3. Saying you don't respond when literally that is all you have been doing for days on here.
4. Chastising someone else for not agreeing with you.

No one is worried about me going after them. Do you not understand how this works? I made a very helpful post (see original) and you keep showing up crying and hyperventilating online.

You are embarrassing yourself. You will never "win" this debate, nor general favor here. Just pack it in. You are a lurker - no photo, no name.

You know, for someone who is as busy as you say you are, you spend an awful lot of time here trying to bully others.  Someone choosing to use their initials and someone who chooses to not use a photo (as there are MANY, MANY, MANY folks here who have made these choices), means absolutely nothing.  Chastising?  I've chastised no one. That would be you.  BULLYING others - that would also be you.  No one is worried about you going after them?  That's a joke.  That's why they agree with you, because they have witnessed your childish behavior here and in other areas around here.  I will never "win" this debate?   I'm not trying to win, that would be you. Embarrassing?  Also you.  Crying and hyperventilating?  Your behavior is beyond childish.  The name calling that you do around this platform, is what keeps so many others from challenging you.  But this weekend, you got the RIGHT one.  You got me.  And because I know that you like to have the last word, I'll keep coming back, so that you don't think you've won.  Lurker?  Oh, I suppose everyone on BP who has no photo and choose to use their initials are lurkers then.  

You're funny.  Remember, you got me.  And you're making my day.  

And FYI, I'll take lurking any day over being a BULLY.  Which is what you are.

And please note, I'm not here trying to win any favor - that would be you.  As one of the commenters posted yesterday, you use that bogus line of trying to help others here as your way of getting away with your nasty behavior.  But, those who are not afraid to think for themselves aren't buying it.  Try harder.  And while you're at it, work on adding decency to your life.  Maybe then your "words" that would lead others to believe you're only here helping others, will land better.

HAVE AN AMAZING DAY :)

TLDR as usual

[Jonathan Greene]

Quote from @FR W.:

Quote from @Dan H.:

Quote from @FR W.:

The level of professionalism is astounding (and childish).  Name calling... insults.  Are you the only one who can have an opinion?  Or an idea?  Or a point of view?  

And yet, Jonathan's not hiding his identity behind initials and no picture.

 If I had to do it over again, I would have used “Dan H”.  with my last name I am very easy to identify.  There are also many weird people out there.  Some that believe all LL are evil and that they should not expect to make money for the risk, investment, and effort of investing in residential RE.  I continuously run into more people like this (I am sure living in Ca does not help).  What virtually all these people have in common is they know less than $hit about RE.  They feel they have 0 opportunity but at the conferences and REA meeting I go to I meet young people with a different attitude that appear to be on a great path to success.  

I recently attended the MTR summit.  There were a lot of young hustlers.  2 local girls worked supporting the summit to go.  They made a good pitch to try to manage my STRs.  I loved their enthusiasm and hustle.  As near as I can determine they own no Properties but co-host some and are eager to grow.  Their mindset was so different than the socialist that believe housing is a divine right and they should be able to live wherever they want.  I know who will be more successful and it is not those that think they should be provided free/low cost housing in San diego for doing virtually nothing. 

My point is I understand wanting some anonymity.  I wish I had more anonymity with respect to BP. 

Anyone at BP want to help getting my user name changed to “Dan h” or “Dan R H”?

Good idea, Dan H.  When you're dealing with the internet, there are just so many trolls and childish folks running around who will do their best to "harm" or hurt you in anyway they can when you do something as simple as disagree with them, or have a different view point from theirs.  I knew exactly what I was doing using my initials.  Many others I know of who have come across the kind of childish, indecent kind of folks I mentioned above, always say the same thing, "I wish I had started out using only my initials and not posting my photo."  Regarding changing your name, I don't do much around BP as I'm "busy," - the real kind of busy that keeps me from posting here all day, but reach out to BP and maybe they can help you with that.  All the best, Dan!

Bro, are you even serious here? You have been trolling non-stop, but are also busy? You aren't gaining any favor as an anonymous person on the site. You are hiding so you can do stuff like this.

[Jonathan Greene]

Let's see what you guys are made of.

@Kevin S. and FR W, since you both are hiding behind no photo and limited information and think you are being bullied, let's meet up online on a recorded Zoom that I will then add to this forum. I will post the live link in here so anyone can come and help you.

I invite you both to come on with me, air your gripes for newbies, and explain where in the initial post you felt attacked. We can go word by word through the whole thing, or you can just try to debate me in person, live and recorded.

Let me know a good time for you both this week, and I will post the link here so everyone can come on at the same time.

[Corby Goade]

Good stuff- Never thought about this as a post topic, but it's helpful. Sort of a variation on #3, I get a lot of newbies calling, texting or DMing me asking a question and not only do they get annoyed when they don't get the answer they want, but they tell me I am wrong because someone else who has never done a deal told them otherwise. 

[Kevin S.]

Quote from @Jim K.:

Quote from @Kevin S.:

@Jim K.

'If' is not the word.  I will be doing it.

"Aut inveniam viam aut faciam"

Best of luck going forward.

 Gratias tibi.  

[FR W.]

Quote from @Jonathan Greene:

Quote from @FR W.:

Quote from @Dan H.:

Quote from @FR W.:

The level of professionalism is astounding (and childish).  Name calling... insults.  Are you the only one who can have an opinion?  Or an idea?  Or a point of view?  

And yet, Jonathan's not hiding his identity behind initials and no picture.

 If I had to do it over again, I would have used “Dan H”.  with my last name I am very easy to identify.  There are also many weird people out there.  Some that believe all LL are evil and that they should not expect to make money for the risk, investment, and effort of investing in residential RE.  I continuously run into more people like this (I am sure living in Ca does not help).  What virtually all these people have in common is they know less than $hit about RE.  They feel they have 0 opportunity but at the conferences and REA meeting I go to I meet young people with a different attitude that appear to be on a great path to success.  

I recently attended the MTR summit.  There were a lot of young hustlers.  2 local girls worked supporting the summit to go.  They made a good pitch to try to manage my STRs.  I loved their enthusiasm and hustle.  As near as I can determine they own no Properties but co-host some and are eager to grow.  Their mindset was so different than the socialist that believe housing is a divine right and they should be able to live wherever they want.  I know who will be more successful and it is not those that think they should be provided free/low cost housing in San diego for doing virtually nothing. 

My point is I understand wanting some anonymity.  I wish I had more anonymity with respect to BP. 

Anyone at BP want to help getting my user name changed to “Dan h” or “Dan R H”?

Good idea, Dan H.  When you're dealing with the internet, there are just so many trolls and childish folks running around who will do their best to "harm" or hurt you in anyway they can when you do something as simple as disagree with them, or have a different view point from theirs.  I knew exactly what I was doing using my initials.  Many others I know of who have come across the kind of childish, indecent kind of folks I mentioned above, always say the same thing, "I wish I had started out using only my initials and not posting my photo."  Regarding changing your name, I don't do much around BP as I'm "busy," - the real kind of busy that keeps me from posting here all day, but reach out to BP and maybe they can help you with that.  All the best, Dan!

Bro, are you even serious here? You have been trolling non-stop, but are also busy? You aren't gaining any favor as an anonymous person on the site. You are hiding so you can do stuff like this.

For someone who isn't reading my comments because they're so long, you surely can't stop responding to them.

"Bro," you sound just like a "little" BULLY sending out his rally cry for help after the entire school stood up against him.  Drop the "anonymous" thing.  It's old and desperate. There are a thousand folks on BP who use their initials and have no photo. I've been on BP for a couple of years, and in all that time I've never engaged in anything like this before.  Yet, you brag that you've been here since forever, and I have personally witnessed your BULLYING in several topic forums.  The same BULLYING you've been attempting to pull off here.  You keep saying I'm not gaining any favor here - seems to me you're the only one after that so-called "favor."

"You are hiding so you can do stuff like this."  That statement alone shows how you are not accustomed to someone challenging you like this.  Typically, you would have run the poor sods off, but "not I, said the cat."  It's a new day for you, sir.  You're not the only one allowed to have an opinion.  You're not the only one allowed a point of view.  And you're certainly not the only one who can give it.  Only thing is, it looks like you can dish it out, but you can't take it.

I will say this again, YOU AND OTHERS LIKE YOU are the reason so many quit looking for help in this forum, and stop seeking the answers they need.  I'm not going to repeat the "whys" of my kind response to your initial post... those can be found in some of my other comments, but anyone with half a brain can look at my comment in response to your initial one, and find nothing but love and kindness in it.  It was your NASTY reply that started this rabbit hole journey.

So stop crying for help. Stop using words that you know will "nudge" your "little" sidekicks to jump in and help you here.  Stop trying to make yourself look like the victim.  You have victimized any and everyone who has offered another POV to what you've said.  When you use words like "you've been trolling," that's your "cry" to ask your buddies to jump in and help.  As someone else said, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM.

You want everyone to believe that you are so busy, yet, all your time is spent here... insulting and scaring folks off away from BP so you can turn around and call them "weak" and F R A G I L E.  Again, "not I, said the cat."

I hadn't read my Bible yesterday BEFORE I began replying to your nastiness.  But today, we're going to take a different route, because my goal is to always lead with love in hopes that someone else will humble themselves and begin to lead with love in their dealings with others.

"For God gave us a spirit not of fear but of power and love and self control."  2 Timothy 1:7

You call yourself a mentor here, so DO BETTER.  Choose BETTER.  Be BETTER.  

Real folks will respect you more.

Have an amazing day!  

[FR W.]

Quote from @Jonathan Greene:

Let's see what you guys are made of.

@Kevin S. and FR W, since you both are hiding behind no photo and limited information and think you are being bullied, let's meet up online on a recorded Zoom that I will then add to this forum. I will post the live link in here so anyone can come and help you.

I invite you both to come on with me, air your gripes for newbies, and explain where in the initial post you felt attacked. We can go word by word through the whole thing, or you can just try to debate me in person, live and recorded.

Let me know a good time for you both this week, and I will post the link here so everyone can come on at the same time.

You are so comical.  And you're entertaining.  I mean, your "show" keeps getting better and better and better.  Where is my dang popcorn!

Let's be clear, I'm not new to RE, and you haven't bullied me, but you have ATTEMPTED to use your bully tactics on those who have challenged you.  You're so busy being this RE mogul that you have time to spend on Zoom calls (that you set up) to "prove" to your audience (hahaha) that you're right? 

Dude, let it go. 

You've already shown that you can't handle the pressure of dealing with intelligent folk. Folk who aren't afraid to use their voices.  Folk who aren't afraid to stand up to BULLIES.  So, let it go.  Let's move on into a much better week, with smiles and KINDNESS. 

"Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions."  ~Proverbs 18:2

#BullyBuster signing off.

Have an amazing Sunday!

[Kevin S.]

Quote from @Jonathan Greene:

Let's see what you guys are made of.

@Kevin S. and FR W, since you both are hiding behind no photo and limited information and think you are being bullied, let's meet up online on a recorded Zoom that I will then add to this forum. I will post the live link in here so anyone can come and help you.

I invite you both to come on with me, air your gripes for newbies, and explain where in the initial post you felt attacked. We can go word by word through the whole thing, or you can just try to debate me in person, live and recorded.

Let me know a good time for you both this week, and I will post the link here so everyone can come on at the same time.

 "LET'S SEE WHAT YOU GUYS ARE MADE UP OF" !!   Wow...just wow!

Not sure where to even begin.  This is an entire book filled topic.  After zoom then what?  Physical meet up @ OK Corral?  Your ego knows no limits.  

You realize I ignored your last response because it was a general response with nothing personal.  But you are not happy, still.  Your ego has taken control of you. 

That starting quote of your I haven't heard since high school days(maybe middle school).  Nor have I heard from the likes of Warren Buffet, Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk.  Could you please rank yourself amongst them so at least I have an idea?   

What do you expect to get out of debate on Zoom that hasn't been discussed here already? As a matter of fact you left a 'respectable discussion' long time ago on this thread and took it to another level.  Lower.  In one of your recent comments you even resorted to calling "newbie babies".  

For those of us who choose to maintain our privacy, it is just that.  Our choice.  Everything can be discussed here.  You seem to have no trouble responding here hence I see no point otherwise.  You on the other hand have no choice but to give up that privacy since your livelihood depends on seeking clients here. We don't.  Sorry.

Do you even realized what you are doing to yourself by quoting your opening line?  I hope your potential prospects do not come across this thread. 

Come to think of it, you give seasoned pros a bad rap just like some newbies give newcomers a bad rap. So unfortunate.  Even @Jim K who hurled personal insult (I did not respond in kind) did not go beyond a few comments, has closed out respectably.  It's all good.  We all make mistakes from time to time.  It's not late for you to follow suit.  We can be friends and you get to save face.  What will it be?  

Other seasoned pros are watching...

[FR W.]

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The level of professionalism is astounding (and childish).  Name calling... insults.  Are you the only one who can have an opinion?  Or an idea?  Or a point of view?  

And yet, Jonathan's not hiding his identity behind initials and no picture.

I don't typically respond to these types of comments, simply because they are so funny and childish, but, I'll make your weekend.  FYI, I'm not hiding.  Who are you, anyway?  His spokesperson?  Oh, yes, you're one of the ones who are here to to applaud everything he does so he doesn't go after YOU.  Have an amazing weekend, dear!  :)  THE END. That means, #YouAreDismissed.

1. No photo
2. No name
3. Saying you don't respond when literally that is all you have been doing for days on here.
4. Chastising someone else for not agreeing with you.

No one is worried about me going after them. Do you not understand how this works? I made a very helpful post (see original) and you keep showing up crying and hyperventilating online.

You are embarrassing yourself. You will never "win" this debate, nor general favor here. Just pack it in. You are a lurker - no photo, no name.

You know, for someone who is as busy as you say you are, you spend an awful lot of time here trying to bully others.  Someone choosing to use their initials and someone who chooses to not use a photo (as there are MANY, MANY, MANY folks here who have made these choices), means absolutely nothing.  Chastising?  I've chastised no one. That would be you.  BULLYING others - that would also be you.  No one is worried about you going after them?  That's a joke.  That's why they agree with you, because they have witnessed your childish behavior here and in other areas around here.  I will never "win" this debate?   I'm not trying to win, that would be you. Embarrassing?  Also you.  Crying and hyperventilating?  Your behavior is beyond childish.  The name calling that you do around this platform, is what keeps so many others from challenging you.  But this weekend, you got the RIGHT one.  You got me.  And because I know that you like to have the last word, I'll keep coming back, so that you don't think you've won.  Lurker?  Oh, I suppose everyone on BP who has no photo and choose to use their initials are lurkers then.  

You're funny.  Remember, you got me.  And you're making my day.  

And FYI, I'll take lurking any day over being a BULLY.  Which is what you are.

And please note, I'm not here trying to win any favor - that would be you.  As one of the commenters posted yesterday, you use that bogus line of trying to help others here as your way of getting away with your nasty behavior.  But, those who are not afraid to think for themselves aren't buying it.  Try harder.  And while you're at it, work on adding decency to your life.  Maybe then your "words" that would lead others to believe you're only here helping others, will land better.

HAVE AN AMAZING DAY :)

TLDR as usual

Have an amazing Sunday!!! :)

[FR W.]

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Let's see what you guys are made of.

@Kevin S. and FR W, since you both are hiding behind no photo and limited information and think you are being bullied, let's meet up online on a recorded Zoom that I will then add to this forum. I will post the live link in here so anyone can come and help you.

I invite you both to come on with me, air your gripes for newbies, and explain where in the initial post you felt attacked. We can go word by word through the whole thing, or you can just try to debate me in person, live and recorded.

Let me know a good time for you both this week, and I will post the link here so everyone can come on at the same time.

 "LET'S SEE WHAT YOU GUYS ARE MADE UP OF" !!   Wow...just wow!

Not sure where to even begin.  This is an entire book filled topic.  After zoom then what?  Physical meet up @ OK Corral?  Your ego knows no limits.  

You realize I ignored your last response because it was a general response with nothing personal.  But you are not happy, still.  Your ego has taken control of you. 

That starting quote of your I haven't heard since high school days(maybe middle school).  Nor have I heard from the likes of Warren Buffet, Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk.  Could you please rank yourself amongst them so at least I have an idea?   

What do you expect to get out of debate on Zoom that hasn't been discussed here already? As a matter of fact you left a 'respectable discussion' long time ago on this thread and took it to another level.  Lower.  In one of your recent comments you even resorted to calling "newbie babies".  

For those of us who choose to maintain our privacy, it is just that.  Our choice.  Everything can be discussed here.  You seem to have no trouble responding here hence I see no point otherwise.  You on the other hand have no choice but to give up that privacy since your livelihood depends on seeking clients here. We don't.  Sorry.

Do you even realized what you are doing to yourself by quoting your opening line?  I hope your potential prospects do not come across this thread. 

Come to think of it, you give seasoned pros a bad rap just like some newbies give newcomers a bad rap. So unfortunate.  Even @Jim K who hurled personal insult (I did not respond in kind) did not go beyond a few comments, has closed out respectably.  It's all good.  We all make mistakes from time to time.  It's not late for you to follow suit.  We can be friends and you get to save face.  What will it be?  

Other seasoned pros are watching...

AB SO LUTE LY LOVE THIS!  BRAVO!

Welcome to the #BullyBusters, Kevin!

[Joe S.]

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Not everyone that comments or doesn’t comment is scared or someone’s like Buddy @FR W…

Just saying…

Have a blessed Sunday.✅