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Posted over 7 years ago

Applicants Lie? Really? My Real Life Story of A Tenant's Tall Tale

I expect to get a lot of terrible applicants in the wintertime, but what we are seeing lately is crazy?  Today we had a women, I'll call her Mary (not her real name) look at one of our high end properties that we are managing for an out of state owner.  Mary said she was in town from NY to look for a rental b/c she was moving to Va Beach. She wanted to apply and get her lease signed all in one day, because she had to head back to NY in the morning. One of the first thing I learned about being a landlord is that the more the applicant wants you to hurry, the more you should slow down. So Mary says she loves the house and applies with pay stubs with a NY address on them.  She says she works as an account manager and her company has agreed to let her relocate to our market. She even had her boss e-mail us a glowing letter saying that Mary had excellent opportunity for continued employment and was a valued employee. The boss's e-mail had a website and a phone number on her signature line. 

The first thing I found odd when reviewing Mary's application is that the e-mail called the applicant the company's employee, yet the pay stubs had no taxes taken out. I never rely on the company phone number an applicant gives me, because I have caught my own ex employees dummying data and using fake references. The first thing I did was check out the company website, thinking I could get the office phone number from there. When I tried the web address, which I double checked 3 times, it didn't exist. Hum.... So then I googled the phone number of the company, which should be a commercial land line if the company is legit, and find no hits. Hum.... Then I do a Google search for the company name. Still nothing. I googled the company address, thinking I could at least find some company name there. It's a residential building in New York City. 

At that point I call Mary and ask if it is OK for me to ask her a few questions. She reiterates about what a hurry she is in. I explain that I will work as quickly as I can, but I cannot skip steps of our screening process. I ask Mary she does for work. She tells me she works for A&S Solutions. I replied with "but what do you do for A&S Solutions?" Another vague answer. ME: "But physically, what do you do. What is your job exactly?" HER: "I'm an account rep. We act as an intermediary between companies and the retail stores." She said they represented small companies who couldn't afford their own people like big companies like Pepsi can. I then explain that I am having trouble validating the company. Mary asked if I called Anita, her boss. I explained that I have tried, but I don't ever call the number provided by an applicant, because there is no guarantee the person on the other end is who they say they are. I shared with Mary that I tried to go to the website listed on her boss's e-mail, but it does not exist. She said Anita told her they were having trouble with the website today. I then tell Mary I tried googling the company phone number and found it really strange that it shows up as unregistered or unlisted. She seemed perplexed and said she never calls it because she just calls Anita. I then pointed out that I also tried to google the address of the company printed on the pay stubs she provided, and found a UPS store, which rents PO Boxes, and a residential building, but no evidence of an A&S Solutions at that address. Mary's response was that she works in the field and has never been to the building, so she isn't sure what all is there. I asked Mary if she had a computer handy so we could search for her company info on line together, so she could help me figure out what I may be doing wrong. She said she was at the pool with the kids right then and didn't have a computer with her. She said she would call her boss Anita tonight to figure out what was going on. I tell Mary I will take her file home with me this weekend and she can call my cell anytime with an update.

That all happened yesteray afternoon, on Friday.  Fast forward to 6 am this morning, on Saturday. I try the website again and find this…

Fake Website

The only problem is that none of the links work. I clicked on LEARN MORE – nothing. I clicked on the Facebook logo – nothing. 

Then I went to Godaddy and entered the domain name into the WHOIS search bar and found this…

Domain Name: ANS-4SOLUTIONS.COM
Domain ID: 2146931503_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.tucows.com
Registrar URL: http://tucowsdomains.com
Updated Date: 2017-08-25T23:38:59Z
Creation Date: 2017-07-26T03:37:56Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2018-07-26T03:37:56Z

Hum… It was 8-25-2017 at about 5:30pm when I had my conversation with Mary and told her the company website on her boss's e-mail signature didn't exist. At midnight someone published the website above, although they clearly didn’t put much thought into it. Mary told me the company did something with product placement in retail stores. Why in the world would a company with that focus have leather work gloves, a hammer and an ax on their website?

Clearly I have seen enough from this applicant to reject her, but just for fun I may continue to lead her to believe we are still trying to validate her info, just to see what other tall tales she can spin!

Be careful out there when screening your tenants. If the information provided isn’t logical, there is a good chance it may not be true!



Comments (6)

  1. Excellent article. I ran through similar background searches with employees and now with tenants. Never hurts to run them through the online criminal system in the town they live in if your area has it. Sometimes you'll find outstanding warrants, or current pending cases for unpaid rent. And NEVER depend on the referral number they give you, unless calling it just to see if their personal name or business comes up on the caller ID. I was hiring a Massage Therapist once for a spa, the number turned out to be from a client, who was perfectly willing to tell me the truth when questioned further. Turns out, she whined and cried about her circumstances, even sticking him with her kids once and taking off for two days. He hadn't agreed to be a reference either. 


  2. Excellent article. I ran through similar background searches with employees and now with tenants. Never hurts to run them through the online criminal system in the town they live in if your area has it. Sometimes you'll find outstanding warrants, or current pending cases for unpaid rent. And NEVER depend on the referral number they give you, unless calling it just to see if their personal name or business comes up on the caller ID. I was hiring a Massage Therapist once for a spa, the number turned out to be from a client, who was perfectly willing to tell me the truth when questioned further. Turns out, she whined and cried about her circumstances, even sticking him with her kids once and taking off for two days. He hadn't agreed to be a reference either. 


  3. I love this story! If scammers would put in as much effort to doing things correctly, they wouldn't have to scam.


  4. Registrant Name: VistaPrint Technologies Ltd
    Registrant Organization: VistaPrint Technologies Ltd
    Registrant Street: Canon's Court 22 Victoria Street
    Registrant City: Hamilton
    Registrant State/Province:
    Registrant Postal Code: HM12
    Registrant Country: BM
    Registrant Phone: +1.7816526199
    Registrant Phone Ext:
    Registrant Fax: +1.7816526096
    Registrant Fax Ext:
    Registrant Email: [email protected]
    Registry Admin ID:
    Admin Name: Domain Administrator
    Admin Organization: VistaPrint
    Admin Street: 95 Hayden Avenue
    Admin City: Lexington
    Admin State/Province: MA
    Admin Postal Code: 02421
    Admin Country: US
    Admin Phone: +1.7816526199
    Admin Phone Ext:
    Admin Fax: +1.7816526096
    Admin Fax Ext:
    Admin Email: [email protected]
    Registry Tech ID:
    Tech Name: Domain Administrator
    Tech Organization: Vistaprint USA
    Tech Street: 275 Wyman St
    Tech City: Waltham
    Tech State/Province: MA
    Tech Postal Code: 02451
    Tech Country: US
    Tech Phone: +1.7816526300
    Tech Phone Ext:
    Tech Fax: +1.7816526092
    Tech Fax Ext:
    Tech Email: [email protected]
    Name Server: LOGAN.NS.CLOUDFLARE.COM
    Name Server: MAYA.NS.CLOUDFLARE.COM
    DNSSEC: unsigned
    URL of the ICANN WHOIS Data Problem Reporting System: http://wdprs.internic.net/
    >>> Last update of WHOIS database: 2017-08-25T23:38:59Z <<<


  5. Thanks for commenting @Randall Brown.  It looks like they purchased the domain and website through Vistaprint.


  6. hi, it looks like the site was created 2017-07-26 already. Whois should also have shown a contact person (Mary???) with address and phone number.

    Amazing how much effort she put in.