It's all part of the real estate investing game. 

But I think that if you can calmly and coolly and methodically prove that the value is only $X, while he may reject your offer initially, so long as you maintain a decent relationship he will come back to you after it sits on the market for 6 or 12 months.Unfortunately, that is a waiting game you may not be willing to play and you will be dealing with somebody who is far more emotional than logical about the whole situation.

Hope to make an O's or Nat's game one day.

It's a whole different ball game.

Mehran, It's true man faith and knowledge are key to succeed in any business or life purpose, even at the hardest circumstances...Hey Vala is great that you enjoyed being at Colombia...it is funny you remember that game Haha tejo is awesome!!

Sorry to say FHA is the only low down game in town.  

Cash flow is the name of the game in the market you are targeting.  

Hope this helps but i am the same way, when people cold call me asking if I can give them an estimate to repair a house i ask them who they are and where they know me from, The contracting side is a relationship game just the same. watch the flipping shows on TV and they have the same contractors go out to look at the house and they always say, "same flip materials" so these people have developed that relationship and know what they want and what to expect.

I have also gained a lot information in order to take action and put together a game plan in order to start my investing career into real estate.

My name is Jamie and I'm yet another newbie/wannabe investor who is looking to get into the real estate game.