@Ted Strzelecki Excellent job with the broad brush, smearing an entire industry. 

But it's hard to just paint the situation with a wide brush.

This feedback could help you understand (A) were to brush up and (B) how to present yourself better to the next set of developers you talk to.P.S.

My sons and I are working on taming that and trimming some brush to improve the look and feel of the place.

It is way easier to get back on the path that you know so well and not cut through the brush and blaze a new trail, but the problem is that although it is easier to go back to what ya know, that path leads to the same unfulfilling results they have always received.Just a few of my thoughts from the top of my head.  

Andrew Jones You paint the entire Midwest with a wide brush, a common mistake I see from investors who refuse to believe there are areas with appreciation and strong economies there.

Since then I've still done my share of roller and brush work though.I always did my work in my "spare" time.

Now if anyone even points a paint brush at me I'll chase them down with a baseball bat (LOL)Love RE but I enjoy using options...

They make their profit when you start buying all the tape, rollers, trays, brushes, handles, scrapers, sand paper, buckets, screens and new fangled gadgetry along with a host of other products that may be required to finish all phases of the job at hand.Has anyone ever told you that?

I've always suspected this thing goes on in sealed bids, but didn't know there was a term for it.....Ray (and anybody else here).....regarding Realtors and their "ethics"First off, let me say this...I realize I'm painting with a rather large brush here, and this isn't representative of all realtors, just some I've met.