Please help.

Please help.

Wichita, KS · Member since 2013 · 235 posts · 46 votes

Hello again BP!

Earlier today I spoke with a potential seller on a property that she is currently renting out.  She stated that the property has been stressing her out and that its a big headache.  I told her I would be willing to purchase the home from her and followed by asking whats the minimum price she would take for the home.  She states that she bought the home for 63k and she added an extra room to the property.  She figures its worth about 10k more with that one extra room so now she is at 73k....asking.

I have a real estate agent who just sent me comps of homes that are on the same street as the prospect's home.  The homes are ranging from 120k to 189k.  I am going to look at the home this weekend with a General contractor friend of mine. 

My question is using the 70% rule figuring the ARV for the home would be $150,000 * 70% = 105,000 - 15,000 in repairs, comes to 90,000. So $90,000 would be the highest the end buyer should pay for the home correct? For myself to make a profit I need to get the price lower than 90k obviously. With all that being said 90k minus 73k (sellers asking price) would come out to be a 17k profit correct?

Please let me know if I'm missing a step if my math is totally wrong.

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  • Jerry W.Pro Member
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    Investor · Thermopolis, WY · Member since 2012 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    11y

    @Brandon Proctor  your math is right.  You need to check and make sure the comps are similar bedroom/bath size, and same with square footage.  Keep in mind your price calculations are for a flip house as compared to a buy and hold rental.  You can sometimes make more money selling to a buy and hold as the 70% rule is not as important as cash flow.  What are comparable rates on similar rentals in the area?  Just my thoughts.

  • Wichita, KS · Member since 2013 · 235 posts · 46 votes
    11y

    Thanks @Jerry W. For the quick reply. The home the prospect wants to sell is a 4 bed 3 bath. The comps in the area vary in bedrooms and bath but the square footage that are selling with similar sq are around 130k to 140k. The square footage for the prospect home is 1649. 

    I'm not sure about the rental rate, have to do a little more searching to find out. The seller does have tenants in the home as well. I believe she said their rent is 850.

  • Residential Real Estate Broker · Campbell, CA · Member since 2013 · 38 posts · 29 votes
    11y

    As a fix/flipper, the most important number you have to get right is the ARV. You can be off 10% on your construction budget and absorb that most of the time, BUT if you are off 10% on your ARV, that can be most or all of your profit.

    Since the current investor "added a room", it will be important to check out the quality of the work, whether it was permitted or not, and the layout of the house. All these things might impact how your house compares to the ARV comps you are using.

    Last thought, you will need to make sure the seller can deliver the home vacant or with tenant on a month-to-month lease  If not, you will need to deal with tenants until the lease is up.

    Otherwise, your math is correct.  Good luck!

    Mark

  • Wichita, KS · Member since 2013 · 235 posts · 46 votes
    11y

    Thanks @Mark Gagner I'm definitely trying to do my due diligence in this process with it being my first potential deal. 

    The homes vary on the price as they go up the road. Not sure if that's a huge deal but the prospects home is 1649 sq ft (similar to homes up the street) while homes close to the prospect home are mainly around 900-1000 sq ft. 

    I just want to get as close to the ARV as possible. I will ask the seller for a lease to lease option as well. Thanks mark!

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