Poll: Do you accept partial payments?

Poll: Do you accept partial payments?

Real Estate Agent · Baton Rouge, LA · Member since 2017 · 82 posts · 85 votes

I own a property management company in Baton Rouge, LA. We are in the process of transitioning over to AppFolio, and in the process we have decided to no longer accept partial rent payments and are instead requiring a single payment. This means roommates will now have to figure out on their own how to combine funds and make a single payment.

The reason we made the decision is we are running into issues where one tenant prepays and throws off accounting and makes it difficult to automatically track who has/has not paid in a particular house.  Plus, for Buildium at least, there does not appear to be a way to allow individual roommate partial payments but not partial payments by late tenants, which muddy the water when it comes to late fees, eviction, etc.

This isn’t a big problem if you only have a few units and can mentally keep track, but it is not sustainable for a growing mgmt business.

I wanted to see what other managers are doing in the instance of roommates only wanting to pay their individual share as opposed to aggregating into a single payment for the unit. 

If you do allow this, how do you keep accounting straight and automate your system for ensuring the other roommates pay on time in the event someone prepays?

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Nathan GesnerBusiness Member
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Real Estate Broker · Cody, WY · Member since 2010 · 28k+ posts · 41k+ votes
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Quote from @Nathan McBride:

It's a personal choice. I allow partial payments, while many other managers do not.

How do I handle roommate payments? The same as any other partial payment. Everyone is jointly and severally liable, so if rent is not paid in full, then the entire lease is in default. If roommate A and B both pay and roommate C pays 75% of his share, they are all in default and they are all subject to eviction.

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  • Investor · Austin, TX · Member since 2015 · 73 posts · 54 votes
    3y

    My lease contract requires full payment with 1 check. The roommates we've leased to have never had an issue. 







  • Real Estate Agent · Baton Rouge, LA · Member since 2017 · 82 posts · 85 votes
    3y

    That’s what we are transitioning to. Had a tenant call somewhat fired up about the new policy so I wanted to ask. 

    We are updating our lease to remove any potential ambiguity, so I appreciate you mentioning that.  

  • Nathan GesnerBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Cody, WY · Member since 2010 · 28k+ posts · 41k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Nathan McBride:

    It's a personal choice. I allow partial payments, while many other managers do not.

    How do I handle roommate payments? The same as any other partial payment. Everyone is jointly and severally liable, so if rent is not paid in full, then the entire lease is in default. If roommate A and B both pay and roommate C pays 75% of his share, they are all in default and they are all subject to eviction.

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  • Drew SygitBusiness Member
    Property Manager · Royal Oak, MI · Member since 2012 · 12k+ posts · 9k+ votes
    3y

    @Nathan McBride why are you chasing roommates?

    Like @Nathan Gesner, we make all tenants 100% liabile for 100% of the rent. 

    So, we have none of the problems you mention.

    If you want to make each rommate only responsible for their portion of the rent, you would have to setup the property as a fake multi-family, naming units Room #1, Room #2, etc. Then create a separate lease for each roommate under their room.

    The only time we won't accept partial payments is when we get to the stage in the eviction process where accepting any funds would require us to start all over.

  • Corby GoadeBusiness Member
    Investor · Boise, ID · Member since 2014 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    3y

    Absolutely not. Margins are so thin in PM and there is no way I am going to collect one monthly fee and manage four different pals in one property, chasing them down each month asking them to pay rent. 

    One payment. Per the lease, rent is either paid or it is not paid, there's no middle ground. 

    We use Apfolio too, for the record. 

  • Dave PoeppelmeierBusiness Member
    Realtor · Maumee, OH · Member since 2015 · 491 posts · 722 votes
    3y

    If you're in Baton Rouge, I'm assuming you're renting to a lot of LSU Students. I do Student Housing, and there's no way I would ever require one payment. This isn't 1998. My Brokerage uses AppFolio for our Property Management, and you can accept multiple payments with no problem, so I don't see the issue there. If it's a personal choice, that's fine, but what I tell my renters is I don't care how you get there, but the rent needs to be paid in full. It's up to them, legal adults, to figure it out amongst themselves. You want them to be accountable to each other, not you. You're not their Dad. This goes with any unit that has roommates, college kids or adults. Hope this helps. 

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  • Real Estate Agent · Baton Rouge, LA · Member since 2017 · 82 posts · 85 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Nathan Gesner:
    Quote from @Nathan McBride:

    It's a personal choice. I allow partial payments, while many other managers do not.

    How do I handle roommate payments? The same as any other partial payment. Everyone is jointly and severally liable, so if rent is not paid in full, then the entire lease is in default. If roommate A and B both pay and roommate C pays 75% of his share, they are all in default and they are all subject to eviction.


     Got it. Our lease includes provisions along those lines. 

    I like the idea of allowing tenants to each individually pay out of convenience for them, which is why we have allowed it to date. 

    That said the issue we’ve had is Tenant A prepays three months in advance which throws off the balance.  Now the system doesn’t flag the property as having a balance due, even though Tenants B and C haven’t paid. This has happened several times in the past few months. 

    Not a huge deal if B and C are responsible, but becomes a pain if one is habitually late. Also not a big deal if you are managing just a few properties and can mentally track it and remember. 

    As we are scaling, though, it became a bit of a pain point, so we decided to stop allowing it. 

    Definitely open to allowing it again if we can systematize. So I am open to suggestions on how others do it.

    Maybe Buildium is the problem and this goes away with the transition to AppFolio. 

  • Alan AsriantsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2019 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    3y

    I agree with what most have said here. It is not up to the Landlord to chase after each tenant for their portion. Similarly if there are multiple people on the Deed, the bank isn't going to go after each individual that hasn't paid their share. It is the responsibility of the tenant to deliver all of the rent to the Landlord, if the funds are missing or late, everyone is responsible. I think they will be upset at first but all of my tenants quickly figured it out once they realized everyone is on the hook. hope this helps

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  • Investor · Astoria, NY · Member since 2016 · 46 posts · 21 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Nathan McBride:

    I own a property management company in Baton Rouge, LA. We are in the process of transitioning over to AppFolio, and in the process we have decided to no longer accept partial rent payments and are instead requiring a single payment. This means roommates will now have to figure out on their own how to combine funds and make a single payment.

    The reason we made the decision is we are running into issues where one tenant prepays and throws off accounting and makes it difficult to automatically track who has/has not paid in a particular house.  Plus, for Buildium at least, there does not appear to be a way to allow individual roommate partial payments but not partial payments by late tenants, which muddy the water when it comes to late fees, eviction, etc.

    This isn’t a big problem if you only have a few units and can mentally keep track, but it is not sustainable for a growing mgmt business.

    I wanted to see what other managers are doing in the instance of roommates only wanting to pay their individual share as opposed to aggregating into a single payment for the unit. 

    If you do allow this, how do you keep accounting straight and automate your system for ensuring the other roommates pay on time in the event someone prepays?


     Sounds painful. The problem that I see here is that people are lazy and they would likely want you to do some thing for them to help set it up. What about giving them prepaid cards that they just fill the cards? I guess the following questions that is, do you take cards as payment?

  • Real Estate Agent · Baton Rouge, LA · Member since 2017 · 82 posts · 85 votes
    3y

    @Dave Poeppelmeier we do rent to students, but we are not a student housing management company.  We do not rent by the room and are clear about that.

    Do you have separate accounts set up for each tenant?  How do you prevent prepayments from getting your accounts out of whack?

    It just became an accounting headache, so we decided to stop unless we can find a way to systematize.

  • Dave PoeppelmeierBusiness Member
    Realtor · Maumee, OH · Member since 2015 · 491 posts · 722 votes
    3y

    @Nathan McBride each tenant has their own portal and account, but they're all moved in under one unit. You tell them that they need to have a zero balance by whenever, and it's up to them to figure it out. If it's not fully paid, then late charges start to apply to the entire unit. As long as you educate people when they move in that this is how it works, they don't usually have a problem with it. On a side note, I have all my students and normal renters on a single lease, I don't rent out per room. You talk about headaches...

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  • Real Estate Consultant · Cleveland · Member since 2020 · 6k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Nathan McBride:

    I own a property management company in Baton Rouge, LA. We are in the process of transitioning over to AppFolio, and in the process we have decided to no longer accept partial rent payments and are instead requiring a single payment. This means roommates will now have to figure out on their own how to combine funds and make a single payment.

    The reason we made the decision is we are running into issues where one tenant prepays and throws off accounting and makes it difficult to automatically track who has/has not paid in a particular house.  Plus, for Buildium at least, there does not appear to be a way to allow individual roommate partial payments but not partial payments by late tenants, which muddy the water when it comes to late fees, eviction, etc.

    This isn’t a big problem if you only have a few units and can mentally keep track, but it is not sustainable for a growing mgmt business.

    I wanted to see what other managers are doing in the instance of roommates only wanting to pay their individual share as opposed to aggregating into a single payment for the unit. 

    If you do allow this, how do you keep accounting straight and automate your system for ensuring the other roommates pay on time in the event someone prepays?


     We have about 500 doors, and tenants do make partial payments, Does not seem to be an issue, We use Buildium 

  • Real Estate Agent · Baton Rouge, LA · Member since 2017 · 82 posts · 85 votes
    3y

    @Bob S. how do y'all handle a situation where one tenant prepays and another tenant does not pay in a month?  


    Buildium shows that property as not having a balance, when in reality it should have a credit for future months and a remaining balance in the current month.  Obviously you can manually go in and do this, but we need to automate.

  • Real Estate Consultant · Cleveland · Member since 2020 · 6k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Nathan McBride:

    @Bob S. how do y'all handle a situation where one tenant prepays and another tenant does not pay in a month?  


    Buildium shows that property as not having a balance, when in reality it should have a credit for future months and a remaining balance in the current month.  Obviously you can manually go in and do this, but we need to automate.


     Ahh, multiple tenants in the home, like the ones I rent to college kids. I have them all on their own portal I even put in the same address with units A - D, Keeps it all separate

    All the best 

  • Nathan GesnerBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Cody, WY · Member since 2010 · 28k+ posts · 41k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Nathan McBride:

    The problem is caused by your tenants, not by your software.

    I recommend establishing a payment policy and then explaining it to the tenants. I apply all payments to non-rent charges first, oldest to last, and then to rent. Your job is not to track individual payments from the tenants. If Tenant Joe wants to pay his portion three months at a time, you apply it to the charges as they pop up. As his roommates make payments, you apply those towards charges as they pop up. You shouldn't care who made the payment, or what their agreement is privately. You're only focus is to ensure payments are received in full by the due date for the lease. If they are ever short on a payment or late on a payment, the entire lease is in default, not just one tenant that failed to pay their portion.

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  • Rental Property Investor · Boston, MA · Member since 2019 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    3y

    @Nathan McBride I allow partial payments because some $ is better than no $.

  • Drew SygitBusiness Member
    Property Manager · Royal Oak, MI · Member since 2012 · 12k+ posts · 9k+ votes
    3y

    @Nathan McBride as we and @Bob S. suggested, 

    setup the property as a fake multi-family, naming units Room #1, Room #2, etc. Then create a separate lease for each roommate under their room. That will allow you to track their payments separately.

    You can do this in Buildium, Appfolio, etc.

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