Does Cardone Have Investor Money Forever? (Attention Meet Kevin)

Does Cardone Have Investor Money Forever? (Attention Meet Kevin)

San Diego, CA · Member since 2011 · 85 posts · 67 votes

I have a couple of Grant Cardone books on audible. I like his approach on mindset, sales, etc. I've also watched a couple of Meet Kevin videos 'exposing' cardone's lack of actual real estate background and I wasn't too surprised. He is definitely more carnival barker midwit selling to bozos than harvard mba hedge funder selling to blue bloods. 

That said: I know there are discussions about Cardone having stopped paying dividend payments. Again, not too surprising. But I was curious about how his process works, so I watched a few of his videos on the Cardone Capital FAQ page. To see the most interesting video, which I can't link directly to, start here: 
https://cardonecapital.com/faq...
then scroll down underneath to "How Long is the Term of the Fund? 

So first, the term of the fund is 10 years! Are you kidding me? This term is for everyone, un-accredited and accredited. But I can't imagine anyone with 200k single/300k joint income or 1million net worth would wrap up money for 10 years with Grant. But anyway, moving on, it gets better. Start watching again at the 1 minute mark. He actually says it may not be 10 years; at his discretion it might 12, or 14 or 16 years. The way he words it, he doesn't put a cap on the time limit, which may not rule out "forever." 

Also, even more interestingly, there are two edits: at just after 1:01 there is an edit, where Grant seems to have added this statement about the ten year term. Then another edit at about 1:06 where Cardone goes into the fact it may be 12, 14, 16 or whatever.

An obvious edit isn't so surprising in general, except for the fact that the content added in the edit is so surprising and Grant is pretty much as smooth as they come, basically he's 'one take Grant' who doesn't need a lot of edits.

So the questions are:
1. Did investors know Grant might keep there money for up to 16 years (or more*)?
2. Most importantly, how long can Cardone keep your money? Is it 16 years, the final number he mentioned, or is it forever? Note at no point did he ever say it 'would be no more than 16,' that is just the last number he tossed out.

Obviously this is point is moot if Cardone goes bust in the upcoming multifamily crash. But it probably is important to see if unsaavy, un-accredited investors were roped into something they didn't understand. 

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  • Rental Property Investor · Murrieta, CA · Member since 2020 · 338 posts · 344 votes
    5y

    @Brad D.
    Hey Brad,
    I have also watched and listened to a lot of Grant Cardone's podcasts, videos, books etc. The guy is definitely a big promoter and is a great salesman. A couple of questions where did you see or hear from meet Kevin that Cardone has a "lack of real estate" background? I believe Cardone has been buying and selling commercial MF properties since the early 90s starting in Vista, CA. I believe Meet Kevin started in 2010ish and until recently has only bought SFR. Both of these guys are extremely successful and you can look at either of them and find holes in what they are saying. Meet Kevin use to say he would only buy SFR and recently I have seen he is starting to move towards MF. Cardone says never buy a SFR but he bought a $3.5m house in SD and used the sale of that property to buy a $7-9m house in LA. I can not remember the exact #s but I remember hearing from meet Kevin he sold that LA house for $17m and rolled that into $60m worth of MF in Florida. So basically both these guys super successful but have a totally different way of investing in RE. Which is fine there are a ton of ways of making money but I do not think you can say he has a lack of experience. Also, I do not think there is anything wrong with people changing their thought process from time to time.

    On to Cardone Capital yes the planned time frame he plans to keep the deal is 10 years.  I know he does say that he gets to make the decision how long they will stay in the deal.  So it can be earlier than 10 years and can be more than 10 years.  From what I have seen it looks like the CF annualized for a non-accredited investor is 4.6%.  You also receive a tax write off along with the plan for the sale or the refinance of the property in the future.

    Your Questions:
    1.  Did investors know Grant might keep there money for up to 16 years (or more*)? 

    1A.  If they did not know then they did not listen to what he was saying that he alone makes the sole decisions on what each fund will do.  I think he also says something like 10years is a projection but nothing that is set in stone.

    2. Most importantly, how long can Cardone keep your money? Is it 16 years, the final number he mentioned, or is it forever? Note at no point did he ever say it 'would be no more than 16,' that is just the last number he tossed out.

    2A.  Technically he can keep their money forever and can pay the non-accredited and the accredited investors their CF every month till the property is refinanced or sold.



  • Investor · Greenville, SC · Member since 2016 · 5k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    5y

    10 year funds are standard in the syndication business.  And so is sponsor discretion on the timing.  He has tons of real estate experience.  He has nonrecourse loans; so, he won't go bust.

    Let's save the internet garbage talk for the bad guys instead of other real estate investors.

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