What would make this a deal?

What would make this a deal?

Real Estate Investor · Madison, AL · Member since 2013 · 19 posts · 1 vote

Some friends of mine are planning to sell their house, but haven't done any repairs or listed it yet. The house is in pretty good shape. I mentioned to them that I may like to buy it as a rental and they are interested in talking. They bought it 7 years ago for $115,500, and I estimate they still owe about $100,000. It may sell for about $120,000 minus $6000 in estimated concessions, closing costs, and requested repairs. They would also need to pay 6% ($7200) realtor commission to sell it. So their net would only be about $106,800 if they listed. Market rent is about $900-$950 with $150/month in tax and insurance. The house is about 15 years old so roof and HVAC are probably original. It is a starter home community, and the area is fairly nice. I expect appreciation to be slow to moderate (3-5%/year) over the next few years. Since they are friends I would only buy if this benefited both of us.

What purchase price or terms would make this a deal in your eyes?

  • Retail value $120,000
  • Estimated $107000 Net to sellers if they listed
  • Rental Rate - $900-$950
  • Tax + Ins. - $120/month
  • 15 y/old HVAC and Roof.
  • Slow to moderate appreciation (3-5%/year)

Here are some purchase methods I would consider:

  • Take over payments with some down payment.
  • Lease option
  • buy it with a seller carry back.
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  • Joel OwensBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Canton, GA · Member since 2010 · 15k+ posts · 11k+ votes
    13y

    First find out what they think it is worth. Your 120,000 number might not be close to what they are thinking or it maybe less.

    Second find out where they are moving to and if they are expecting any proceeds from the sale to accomplish that or are looking to just break even and get out.

    I would find these out first before proceeding.

  • Real Estate Investor · Madison, AL · Member since 2013 · 19 posts · 1 vote
    13y

    Hi @Joel Owens. I had a chance to get more details of the house. They would like to get $10K-15K out at purchase, and a realtor told them they could sell for $120K-$125K. The comps are strong for $120K so my guess is they would list for $125K and get $120K. They do owe around $100K as I expected, but after talking with them, I don't think they could carry this mortgage and qualify for another mortgage. The only way I could acquire this would be to finance it with a third party, and they would probably need $110K net before they could sell.

    Thinking in more broad terms, assuming I could get similar houses at between 90-100% off retail, and get the sellers to carry back a mortgage or sell subject to, is this a viable business model? If not, what changes would make it viable?

    Hugh

  • Rental Property Investor · Kansas City MO · Member since 2013 · 147 posts · 9 votes
    13y
    I'm not one who believes you need to follow the 2 percent rule but less than 1 percent would not be something I'd consider.
  • Investor · Gurley, AL · Member since 2013 · 47 posts · 9 votes
    13y

    Hi @Hugh Hartwig

    I agree with last post that <1% is not viable unless expecting capital gains.

    Also wanted to say howdy as fellow Huntsville investor. Cheers,

  • Joel OwensBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Canton, GA · Member since 2010 · 15k+ posts · 11k+ votes
    13y

    Retail seller. Move on.

  • Real Estate Investor · Madison, AL · Member since 2013 · 19 posts · 1 vote
    13y

    Hi @Paul B., it is nice to finally meet a fellow Huntsville investor. I would like to learn more about your investing strategy. To summarize what you and @Shawn S. are saying, I should not settle for anything less than 1% rental rate to purchase price. So to make deals like this work, I would still need to pay less than $95K for this property if it only rents for $950/month, correct?

    I'll test your <1% theory

    • Purchase Price $95,000
    • Down Payment 20% = $19,000
    • Monthly Payment PI @ 4.7% for 30yr = $394
    • Closing costs 3% = $2850
    • Tax + Ins = $1200 + $700 = $1900/yr
    • Gross Rent = $11,400/yr
    • Management 8% = $912/yr
    • Maintenance/Captial Improvements 10% = $1,140/yr
    • Vacancy 10% = $1,140/yr
    • NOI = $6308
    • Debt Service = $4728
    • Net Profit = $1580/yr

    I see your point. Even at a purchase price of $95K, this would barely cash flow. It would rely on appreciation and principle reduction for profit. I guess that could be acceptable if appreciation could be guaranteed and I don't need the cash flow. Change to a $120,000 purchase price net profit changes to only $332 net profit. At $80K it would be $2264, and at the 2% rule it would be a whopping $4184 net profit, not to mention all the instant equity.

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