I Made Huge Returns on Low-End Rentals and You Can Too!

I Made Huge Returns on Low-End Rentals and You Can Too!

Real Estate Broker · Rockville, MD · Member since 2018 · 47 posts · 54 votes

I grew up in New Jersey and bought my first property at 18. I didn’t really understand how real estate transactions worked, so I went to the court house and watched several transactions occur. As time passed, I found my first property that was going into foreclosure. I contacted the owner and purchased the property using a quick claim deed. I resold the property before the bank foreclosed on it.

I bought my first rental property in the 90s. I made the purchase in Baltimore. This was my introduction into low-end properties. This is where I realized how large the opportunity and returns were for low-end rentals. Many people do not want to deal with the headache or know how to deal with the headache of managing a property in rougher neighborhoods, so they let these properties go for incredibly low prices. Row houses, in Baltimore, are generally priced at less than $30,000 a piece, but this of course can change across various neighborhoods and blocks. Rents will generally range from $800 - $1,300 a month.

Many people do not want to go into these rougher neighborhoods, but I felt no problem. I have never been assaulted, attacked or even approached while working in rougher neighborhoods.

The most common issues that come with managing properties in rough neighborhoods is that tenants do not want to pay rent. But there are of course solutions to that. When dealing with a prospective tenant, I usually perform an in depth background check and collect copies of IDs/social security cards. If the tenant is employed, I make sure that their employer gets involved. I have the employer and the tenant make an agreement with me that for as long as the tenant works for that company, they will deduct their rent from their paycheck and pay that directly to me. This way, I do not have to chase anyone down for rent.

Working in lower-end rentals require owners/property managers to be more hands on. I speak with my tenants multiple times a month. My tenants typically do not know about HVAC systems or how to make minor repairs, so I have no problem going out and taking care of the issues. Some owners refuse to do any sort of maintenance for delinquent tenants, but I believe this is wrong. Whether or not you are behind on rent, if you have an issue, we will come in and address it. My tenants also change their numbers frequently. I do not know why that is common, but you need to adjust and make sure you are in communication with them, no matter the circumstance.

To those looking to get into real estate, I say to do your research and do not take risks that you cannot afford. Working in the lower-end can lead good returns, but there is no point of taking risks if your credit and finances are not where it should be. An alternative to those who lack money, or good credit, I would recommend you join a partnership. Because I have a strong balance sheet, I typically take all the risks with my partnerships. My partners are set as limited partners, meaning that their liability is solely based on what they put in. The benefit to me taking all the risk is that I will take 10% of the top in addition to the returns I get from what I put into the partnership.

In my career I have owned and managed over 100 properties.

I wish everyone good luck who choose to dive into real estate! The journey may be long and tough, but it is worth it. Feel free to contact me with any questions, I am open to help. 

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Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
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Originally posted by @David Sisson:
Originally posted by @Account Closed:

@Paul T. In all of the projects I look at, virtually no one sets aside sufficient funds for capital expenditures. Renting in low end areas means you must purchase at low end prices. In addition, careful consideration must be taken on what types of materials are used in making improvements. You cannot afford high end materials for low end rentals. However, you also do not want to purchase substandard materials. I like the phrase “takes a licking and keeps on ticking” (from Timex commercials). Use of sturdy materials (although not necessarily the most aesthetic) generally works better than spending on lower quality materials which look nicer. No matter what, you need to balance expenses against expected income.

 Care to give us some examples and insight into what you've found works for 'takes a lickin and keeps on tickin"? I'm always on the look out for quality but affordable. I know it's not always the cheapest thing, but the thing thats cheapest over time. What have you found works well? 

the absolute best I ever saw was in Hattisburg MS.  developer built a community of 50 unit all section 8.

block construction  Cement floors  concrete counters and stainless counter tops..  all you needed for a turn over was a high pressure hose

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  • Flipper/Rehabber · Lincoln, NE · Member since 2016 · 144 posts · 71 votes
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    @Kenneth N. Brown wait, you do a paycheck deduction for rent? Is that even legal?
  • Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    @John Warren   I am in the same market and same circumstances as you.  And you are totally right.  The Berwyn apartments are probably better in the long run.  That being said, the appreciation that you are aiming for, has already happened.  New investors are facing top of the market pricing.

    @Paul T.  I am in full agreement with capex issues for the lower end properties.   For example, I have tremendous cash flow on my lower end properties.  But when I get a vacancy, I invest substantially more on the renovation;  there is more wear-and-tear.  

    @Kenneth N. Brown   Seems like you know your business well.  I like the low end of the market because I can purchase distressed properties regularly.   I design the units to be durable and last. However, no matter how good you are, you will have some non-performers in your portfolio.  

    From my experience, the low end properties is a mixed bag.  

    On the negative - they take more time compared to the B quality properties.  And time is money.    On the negative, the capex is high.  So you get high returns for several years, and then you have to invest substantial money again.   Your rates of return are more normalized at this point.   On the negative, some of these properties do not appreciate well.

    On the positive - many properties have superior performances.  A good experienced landlord can create situations where their tenants are long term, rent paying and do not destroy the property.  On the positive, you can get some very good deals on the acquisition side when you operate in this space.  All of my purchases have been distressed in C/D areas.  None in B areas.  

    One more thing to think about - some of these C/D properties were high risk during the last real estate recession.  If there is a housing downturn, your equity can be wiped out in a flash.  

  • Architect · Providence, RI · Member since 2016 · 258 posts · 195 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
    Originally posted by @David Sisson:
    Originally posted by @Account Closed:

    @Paul T. In all of the projects I look at, virtually no one sets aside sufficient funds for capital expenditures. Renting in low end areas means you must purchase at low end prices. In addition, careful consideration must be taken on what types of materials are used in making improvements. You cannot afford high end materials for low end rentals. However, you also do not want to purchase substandard materials. I like the phrase “takes a licking and keeps on ticking” (from Timex commercials). Use of sturdy materials (although not necessarily the most aesthetic) generally works better than spending on lower quality materials which look nicer. No matter what, you need to balance expenses against expected income.

     Care to give us some examples and insight into what you've found works for 'takes a lickin and keeps on tickin"? I'm always on the look out for quality but affordable. I know it's not always the cheapest thing, but the thing thats cheapest over time. What have you found works well? 

    the absolute best I ever saw was in Hattisburg MS.  developer built a community of 50 unit all section 8.

    block construction  Cement floors  concrete counters and stainless counter tops..  all you needed for a turn over was a high pressure hose

     Sounds like straight up public housing. 

    One of my clients installed stainless restaurant kitchen style tables as counters in the kitchen along with a restaurant style sink. Super durable and can be bolted to the floor. Open stainless steel shelving. This was in a student rental property. 

  • Investor · Commerce Twp, MI · Member since 2017 · 40 posts · 29 votes
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    Kenneth N. Brown , thanks for sharing. I also invest in a low end area, C- area and self manage the properties. Some of the better areas of Flint, MI. We do stay away from most of the war zone areas. 80% of our properties are rented to section 8 and other government paid rents. We have a few self payers and believe it or not they pretty much all pay on time pretty much every month. Some luck, some good screening. Your plan to get rent deductions from their paychecks is fantastic. Any additional info you would like to share on this process would be greatly appreciated. Do you have a standard form they bring to their employer?
  • Investor · Taylor Mill, KY · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 964 votes
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    @Account Closed

    Thank you for sharing, I love reading/hearing success stories. Congrats on the success so far.

  • Rental Property Investor · Jackson, MS · Member since 2018 · 39 posts · 29 votes
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    @Jay Hinrichs Look at Jay with a shout out to Hattiesburg MS. My partner and I are buying in Hattiesburg. Started out in sfr. Picked up an old (but good cash flow) office building. This year, picked up some 4-plexes. Big returns on our 4-plexes so far, but also frustrated with tenant issues. Looking for a good pm now. Gonna keep buying c-class 4-plexes for now for the cash flow. Ultimately hope to sell out and move into larger b-class apt complex.
  • Real Estate Agent · Poplar Bluff, MO · Member since 2018 · 5 posts · 28 votes
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    @David Sisson for the D class properties, sticky tiles from FREDS
  • Investor · Missoula, MT · Member since 2015 · 242 posts · 177 votes
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    Hey @Lance Wakefield this has some good ideas and things to think about for our endeavors this year.
  • Rental Property Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2017 · 45 posts · 25 votes
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    @Kenneth N. Brown Thanks for sharing. I’ve thought about investing in lower income communities and am happy to know there is an alternative way to collect rent other than directly from the tenants. I work in as Accountant and have seen deductions from employees salaries for many different things but not rent. I’m so happy for this site and for everyone here who share their experiences. I no doubt will reach out to you at some point.
  • Investor · Commerce Twp, MI · Member since 2017 · 40 posts · 29 votes
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    Anyone have any luck making direct withdrawals from welfare, social security Ect? Seems like this option would allow us to qualify more tenants, for example if they have a long standing job or social security but poor credit.
  • Levi T.Pro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Tucson AZ / Nice FR / Washington DC · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
    Originally posted by @David Sisson:
    Originally posted by @Account Closed:

    @Paul T. In all of the projects I look at, virtually no one sets aside sufficient funds for capital expenditures. Renting in low end areas means you must purchase at low end prices. In addition, careful consideration must be taken on what types of materials are used in making improvements. You cannot afford high end materials for low end rentals. However, you also do not want to purchase substandard materials. I like the phrase “takes a licking and keeps on ticking” (from Timex commercials). Use of sturdy materials (although not necessarily the most aesthetic) generally works better than spending on lower quality materials which look nicer. No matter what, you need to balance expenses against expected income.

     Care to give us some examples and insight into what you've found works for 'takes a lickin and keeps on tickin"? I'm always on the look out for quality but affordable. I know it's not always the cheapest thing, but the thing thats cheapest over time. What have you found works well? 

    the absolute best I ever saw was in Hattisburg MS.  developer built a community of 50 unit all section 8.

    block construction  Cement floors  concrete counters and stainless counter tops..  all you needed for a turn over was a high pressure hose

     lol that’s funny.. we’ve picked up and remodeled a bunch of hardened properties like that.  I like’m, normally they look so ugly you can snap them up for cheap, buy a couple blocks of those, light rehab with flooring and paint, and boom instantly double your money.

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @Levi T.:
    Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
    Originally posted by @David Sisson:
    Originally posted by @Account Closed:

    @Paul T. In all of the projects I look at, virtually no one sets aside sufficient funds for capital expenditures. Renting in low end areas means you must purchase at low end prices. In addition, careful consideration must be taken on what types of materials are used in making improvements. You cannot afford high end materials for low end rentals. However, you also do not want to purchase substandard materials. I like the phrase “takes a licking and keeps on ticking” (from Timex commercials). Use of sturdy materials (although not necessarily the most aesthetic) generally works better than spending on lower quality materials which look nicer. No matter what, you need to balance expenses against expected income.

     Care to give us some examples and insight into what you've found works for 'takes a lickin and keeps on tickin"? I'm always on the look out for quality but affordable. I know it's not always the cheapest thing, but the thing thats cheapest over time. What have you found works well? 

    the absolute best I ever saw was in Hattisburg MS.  developer built a community of 50 unit all section 8.

    block construction  Cement floors  concrete counters and stainless counter tops..  all you needed for a turn over was a high pressure hose

     lol that’s funny.. we’ve picked up and remodeled a bunch of hardened properties like that.  I like’m, normally they look so ugly you can snap them up for cheap, buy a couple blocks of those, light rehab with flooring and paint, and boom instantly double your money.

     these also had central drains in bathroom and living area.. so you really did just hose it down..  kind of like the bathrooms I see in Singapore.. all tiled step down an inch and there is a hose bib.. they just hose them out. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Houston, TX · Member since 2018 · 37 posts · 12 votes
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    @Kenneth N. Brown, the read option is not unheard up from HR perspective. I've been an HR for more than 12 years and this type of deduction is treated as a standard deposit similar to an employee needs checking and/or savings account. An individual can have numerous checking accounts to add to there deposits by the employer. Deposits are usually identified in a percentage or a specific dollar amount by HR. The coding for the seduction is not identified as "rent" and can be used for whatever the employee needs it to be used for. A landlord cannot go up to an employer and identify that ductions need to be made in order to ensure rent is paid for the employee. There has to be some sort of court document mandating this deduction, unless the employee has agreed to allow a certain amount of funds to go into a identified account which evidently will be paid or use for their rent purposes.
  • Rental Property Investor · Houston, TX · Member since 2018 · 37 posts · 12 votes
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    Sorry for the various is typos. I was using the voice translator instead of just typing my response and the autocorrect apparently revised some words...
  • Rental Property Investor · Houston, TX · Member since 2018 · 37 posts · 12 votes
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    @Matt Michaelson you wouldn't ask an employer to do this type of deduction, because they won't per se do it exactly the way it's being described here. What you would do is inform the employee that a certain deducted amount must be deposited into an account for their rent and that the account information is the information you use for your banking. The employ you will then turn around and ask the employer to add this account as an automatic deduction to their weekly or bi-weekly or semi-monthly paycheck.
  • Rental Property Investor · Houston, TX · Member since 2018 · 37 posts · 12 votes
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    @Jason Snider this is a very good question. I would go to the Area Housing Authority to find individuals that are signed up. Sometime when someone is on Social Security they may be getting government assistance. And government housing pays the property owner directly and I will say one time! Now the upside with going through housing you will definitely get paid, BUT depending on the renters family needs housing will only pay a certain amount for the property. It is up to the renter to pay any difference in cost.
  • Investor · Richmond, VA · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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    @Account Closed,

    Thanks for bringing this topic to light!  I also invest in low income rentals, and honestly, while the area is rougher,  the majority of my tenants are GREAT!   Seriously, I might have  C+- houses, but I have the majority A+ tenants.   

    That being said, low income rentals isn't for everyone. I always feel bad for "dumb" money get gets thrown in low income areas-- those are the houses that aren't finished, get robbed, go over budget and they just abandon ship. True story... I encouraged someone in my local REI to invest in the low income rentals, he did it blindly-- bought 2 cheapest houses he could-- he called it an "experiment".... I'm pretty sure he's in the bucket above. Poor guy.

    If you have a high level of street smarts, and an understanding that it's a different culture/expectations, you can succeed.        It takes a certain type of person to succeed, and obviously your personality and attitude were a perfect fit!    I feel like the people who do well with low income rentals, do really well!

  • Real Estate Broker · Rockville, MD · Member since 2018 · 47 posts · 54 votes
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    @David Sisson There are so many different situations, it is impossible to cover them all. However, some specific examples would be:

    1. Bathtub surround – install a single form fiberglass rather than flat wall plates with seams. Water leaks behind the seams, and the seams come apart.
    2. Light fixtures – solid, rust proof metals (especially for moist areas such as bathrooms) rather than coated or plated (or plastic) fixtures.
    3. Add an extra bracket or two (or three) for banisters and ensure that they are secured directly into the 2X4 framing behind the drywall
    4. Ceramic tile in the kitchen (not linoleum) and ensure the subfloor is properly installed (otherwise you have cracking of the tile)
    5. Do NOT use low flush toilets (the rate of clogs significantly increases) you need the water to move the particulate through the pipes.
    6. Use semi-gloss paint, never flat and use muted, off-white colors that do not fade so patching, rather than painting entire areas can be done.

    These are some basic steps that can be easily identified. However, in each circumstance, you must consider the material that you use as well as the complexity of the project. Keeping things simple and solid is the key.

  • Real Estate Broker · Rockville, MD · Member since 2018 · 47 posts · 54 votes
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    @Jason Snider I have the tenants fill out a standard form in their application. I then take that form and have their employer sign off on it. 

  • Investor · Branson, MO · Member since 2016 · 101 posts · 146 votes
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    @Account Closed Those are some good tips! I currently own 140 units in what would be considered C- neighborhoods. I'm in a moderately low crime area, just have people with low incomes. I also rent to people with section 8 (excluding HUD). For these properties, if I'm not hitting the 3% rule, I don't even consider it.

  • Houston, TX · Member since 2017 · 21 posts · 3 votes
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    @Kenneth N. Brown Great insight Ken! Thanks for sharing. I am a newbie and just soaking in all the tips and advice I can get from seasoned pros like yourself.
  • Flipper/Rehabber · Sugar Land, TX · Member since 2015 · 142 posts · 64 votes
    7y

    I too employ this strategy however we invest in the areas that are currently the hood but are on the cusp of being gentrified so that as we hold these properties the appreciation kicks in strong over time while dealing with the nuances of owning this type of real estate. 

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    Lender · CA · Member since 2015 · 9k+ posts · 10k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
    Originally posted by @Chris Mason:
    Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
    Originally posted by @Lien Vuong:

    I loved your perspective on this and how you have been able to mitigate some of the largest obstacles in owning properties in low income areas! Thank you for sharing your insight, it's a great lense to look through with a fellow investor. 

    I too own 12 units in area like this and some of the things that I have made to help with payment of rent is to open a bank account in the local area that is walkable for them to just deposit it into my account. They can never say that it's too far or they don't have stamp! It's right there and every month I have a picture receipt of the deposit transaction!

    one of my clients owned 165 doors in Alameda CA back before it was the high priced real estate it is today.. and U knew a Jawad property when you saw one it was the ugliest house on the block.. Well his collection system was about as simple as it comes.

    he had some pay on the 1st and some on the 15th.. he went to every door every month personally.. they were instructed to Pin the rent in an envelope to the front door.. No envelope he then put a 3 day notice ..  the front doors looked like pin cushions.. but you talk about instant feedback. 

    Is that guy D.L. of G&L? 

    G&L isn't far from my office (in Alameda) and that's where the rent control protests always are. Dude basically bankrolled half of the anti-rent control side of a recent city ballot initiative campaign. He's probably - no, certainly - the most protested single person in this town.

    Chris those are the kids who inherited..  Art the dad was tough sum BEotch that I know.. but hey 1 mil transaction in 89 with 5% commish I will take it.. plus I got to use the ranch for about 10 years before he finally kicked me out.  had 10 acre awesome bass lake !!

     Small world.

  • Leclaire, IA · Member since 2016 · 161 posts · 130 votes
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    @Kenneth N. Brown Is it possible or even legal to have tenants pay weekly instead of monthly? Kind of like the buy here pay here car lots?
  • Real Estate Broker · Rockville, MD · Member since 2018 · 47 posts · 54 votes
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    @Ron Fletcher I got a message from @Mike Bell with the same question. This is the response I sent him.

    There are many landlords who collect rent weekly. I prefer to have tenants pay through payroll deduction with their employers. This way, I can track payments through each pay cycle and do not have to chase down tenants for payments at all. In addition, if a pay cycle is either short or skipped, I have notification immediately and can take whatever steps are necessary to ensure either payment or start the court process. The best part of payroll deduction is that you can collect rents up to a month in advance. Deductions in the current month go towards the next month’s rent. This gives even more lead time on the eviction process.

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