Trading W-2 for Self Management- 0-92 Units in 16 months!

Trading W-2 for Self Management- 0-92 Units in 16 months!

Rental Property Investor · Papillion, NE · Member since 2017 · 398 posts · 1k+ votes

I hope to provide an informative account of how I was able to scale to 92 units in 16 months, leave my W-2 job and truly find my passion.

Back Story:

I am 33 years old, I am married with two young (1 and 3) children. My career before REI was as an IT project manager at an insurance company. I currently own 92 multi-family rental units in Omaha Nebraska, mostly with partners and self-manage. The portfolio consists of properties ranging in size from duplexes up to a 24 unit building.

Financing: I received my initial capital through a HELOC on my primary residence. All my properties are traditionally financed with 20-30% down on 15-25 year AMs that balloon between 5-10 years. I have also used hard money and private lenders as well.

What Started my obsession with REI:

I, like many of the individuals on BP was frustrated with the lack of freedom as well as minimal feeling of accomplishments through my 9-5 job. I had always known I wanted to do something entrepreneurial but had no idea what direction to proceed.

Before I go much further I want to highlight some of the effects of beginning your investing career:

  • 1.People will doubt you and think you are crazy. They will say Real Estate is risky, they will say you have a great job, they will ask are you worried about plunging toilets at midnight. Be respectful to these people but do not internalize their words. Soon enough they will see your success and want to emulate your actions.
  • 2.You will have to sacrifice a lot of your fun time. No more lazy Sundays or lunches with your complaining coworkers.. you have work to do.
  • 3.Your sacrifices will affect your family, you will be on your phone more, likely you will now be working your full-time job and investing “job”. This is the harsh reality (at least for me) to get where you want to be. It is vital to surround yourself with a strong support system.
  • 4.You will become very aware of your goals and that most individuals do not have goals further than next week. This is ok, focus on yourself but give conscious effort to help others.

January 1st 2017: off of friends recommendation I picked up “Rich Dad Poor Dad”. I finished the book within two days and immediately realized my idea of wealth building was completely backwards.

In 2017 I had zero debt, a good job and was leveraging my 401k… I have traded that philosophy to acquire large amounts of debt, no 401k or IRA contributions and now have the freedom to control my own financial destiny.

Below are the steps I took to remove myself from my W-2 (and 30 years of working for someone else) and obtain a career as a real estate investor:

Step 1 (Education): Read and listen to as many books and podcasts as possible. Below are the books I have read and/or listened to (real estate and business):

This is the most important step in your journey, you must be constantly educating yourself! If you don’t like to read, listen or educate yourself than unfortunately you will likely not find much success (although I am sure there are those out there that have succeeded without).

Rich Dad Poor Dad, Millionaire Real Estate Investor, Multi- Family Millions (Dave Lindahl), ABC’s of Real Estate Investing, The Book on Rental Property Investing, Hold, The Advanced Guide to Real Estate Investing, The Due Diligence Handbook for Commercial Real Estate, Millionaire Real Estate Agent, The Book on Managing Rental Properties (Brandon Turner), The Emyth Revistited

Crushing It in Apartments and Commercial Real Estate, Emerging Real Estate Markets ,The ABC’s of Property Management, Wheelbarrow Profits, The One Thing, Outliers, Start with Why, David and Goliath, Chasing Excellence, Extreme Ownership, The Compound Effect, The Entrepreneur Roller Coaster, Be Obsessed or Be Average, The 10x Rule, The Obstacle is the Way, Ego is the Enemy, Am I Being Too Subtle, 48 Laws of Power, Atlas Shrugged, Man’s Search For Meaning, Sapiens, Tools of Titans, Four Hour Work Week.

Step 2 (financing): To get a better idea of what I was capable of purchasing, I met with four different lenders and began a relationship to acquire funding. I decided to open a HELOC on my primary residence, this allowed me to have access to capital if I came across an available deal.

***How did I choose the lenders? I choose a larger bank (better rates), two local banks (less restrictions, and one in which I already banked.

Step 3 (network with everyone): During my lunch breaks at work and in between changing diapers I would call/text anyone I knew or didn’t know to discuss real estate. Friends, brokers, lenders, attorneys. Anyone who either had a relationship to investing or was a person I looked up to based on their successes.

Find everyone in your network that is smarter than you and begin networking and explaining your goals. They likely know other smart people and those smart people will know someone who invests in real estate (Because smart people invest in real estate… just like A=B B=C A=C)!

*****I can't underscore how important networking is, I was able to link up with an experienced first partner who helped (and still helps) guide me through REI.

Step 4 (analyze deals and market): Analyzing multiple deals everyday as well as market rents for the areas I was targeting. I regularly searched through Zillow, realtor.com, Loopnet and Trulia. I used these sites to find properties for sale, current rents, as and look over previously sold properties.

Step 5 (leads): Immediately I realized that going about finding a deal through Zillow was nearly impossible and that brokers are not incredibly willing to spend time handing off deals to a newbie. So…. What did I do?

  • 1.Started posting on Biggerpockets (I received my first deal through a BP real estate agent)!
  • 2.Downloaded a list of multi family owners from Listsource.com
  • 3.After receiving the list I searched for phone numbers and began looking up every property (assessors website and Zillow) and becoming familiar with the neighborhoods. I would also walk the neighborhoods and properties over my lunch break and on my drive to and from work. (this is before I made a call or sent out any letters).
  • 4.Once I had a decent understanding of my criteria I began hand writing letters (191 to be exact) and calling the phone numbers I was able to gather online.
  • *****This was the catalyst to me finding deals and launching my career***** I was able to do six deals from that initial list.

Step 6 (start networking group): After attending the local REIA a few times and receiving a lot of value I realized that starting another group would bring at least twice the value. With the help of my partner I began a networking group which now in less than a year has over 200 members and regular attendance of 40+ individuals a meeting.

Property Management:

When I initially began learning about the power of real estate and passive income I assumed I would also be a passive investor and reap the benefits of financial freedom. Quickly I realized that if I were to take the passive approach my goals of quitting my W-2 would be extremely delayed (also I would be putting my life savings into another person’s hands). I realized that property management, although a job in itself, would allow me to control my career and financial freedom.

Caveat: Property management is Very demanding. Do NOT manage your own properties if:

  • 1.You are not a people person.
  • 2.You do not like talking on the phone.
  • 3.You dislike working weekends (or any hour of the day outside of 9-5).
  • 4.You do not want a second job. This is NOT passive, it requires you to create systems and deal with all the complexities that a business entails.

Reasons to manage your own properties:

  • 1.You are an effective manager and for the most part enjoy people.
  • 2.You want to reduce vacancy and expenses (after the property has been repaired my vacancy rate is below 2%).
  • 3.You want to start your own business and instill a certain “culture” at your properties. I focus heavily on customer service, I am not a pushover but try to go above and beyond as far as customer satisfaction.
  • 4.It keeps you very in tune with your investments, which may be the key to your success.

Thanks for reading and if you would like to talk please reach out through BP or any other channels! I would love to connect with more individuals and discuss Real Estate!

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Investor · Omaha, NE · Member since 2016 · 33 posts · 26 votes
8y

@Collin Schwartz forgot one large detail that has been taking up a good portion of his time the last year and a half - giving back!  Thanks for being a mentor, for always being open to provide advice, and for starting up and managing the meetup.  Appreciate it buddy!

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  • Investor · Lakewood, OH · Member since 2016 · 158 posts · 49 votes
    8y

    @Collin Schwartz Amazing write-up. Between you and the one Frank wrote up this is honest and hard work that it takes. I realize now that I have not been doing nearly enough work to be successful and need to 10X my work.

    One thing I find hard now is finding people but it now seems I just need to network like crazy as you have done.

    I am 29 and hope to be where you are some day. That many doors in 16 months is fricken crazy. Great job my man. 

    I work 10-11 hour days in the auto industry so by the time I get home it is around 9 PM which is no excuse but I then wake up at 6 AM to stay swole as you have said is important. Guess I will hold off sleeping till I make it 

    Thanks for helping me see my downfall.

  • Rental Property Investor · Papillion, NE · Member since 2017 · 398 posts · 1k+ votes
    8y

    @Sara Barb congrats! Its the best decision I have made. Best of luck on your journey!

  • Rental Property Investor · Papillion, NE · Member since 2017 · 398 posts · 1k+ votes
    8y

    @Jerry W. My systems are ok, rather I have to give credit to the individuals I work with as well as proper tenant screening. I also have great partners. Reach out anytime to discuss in more detail.

  • Rental Property Investor · Papillion, NE · Member since 2017 · 398 posts · 1k+ votes
    8y

    @Brian Ellis there is going to be a lot of noise, some of the worst is what we internalize. I had a lot of self doubt (and still do) about what I am doing. You are immediately standing out from the crowd, this is  a good thing, those people dislike their jobs and choose to not do anything about it. I began everyday listening to BP podcasts before I went to the gym (exercise is a great way to push out the naysayers). Also I tried to find like minded people and have discussions with them, do not waste your time trying to convince others, let your actions speak for you. Also you will begin to find that there are many people that have similar dreams and aspirations, they just likely aren't currently working with you (but some maybe are!). Keep up the great work and believe in yourself!

  • Rental Property Investor · Papillion, NE · Member since 2017 · 398 posts · 1k+ votes
    8y

    @Andre Sanchez awesome job man, now the fun begins. @Paula Berry yes 48 laws of Power has numerous lessons that can be applied to REI. Best of luck with the 4 plex!

  • Specialist · Denver, CO · Member since 2018 · 84 posts · 42 votes
    8y

    @Collin Schwartz What a great post! I'm just getting into the game but this was encouraging today! I am definitely looking to invest in Omaha (where I'm from) and the Denver area (where I live now). I don't know if I'm ambitious enough for almost 100 doors, but this shows that rapid expansion can happen quickly which is something I was worried I wouldn't be able to do. I really appreciate the post and maybe I'll reach out next time I'm in town.

  • Member since 2018 · 29 posts · 20 votes
    8y

    Good morning Collin,

    I appreciate your story and you sharing it....esp on a Monday morning here at work! I need to work harder and get to where you are. I own a few SFR rentals in Northern OH but def need to push harder to make the leap to Commercial so I can too walk away from my W-2 as well.

    It was meant for me to finally register for BP and see this!


    Thanks again,


    Mike in Los Angeles

  • Rental Property Investor · Papillion, NE · Member since 2017 · 398 posts · 1k+ votes
    8y

    @Mitchell Litam thank you for the kind words. It is imperitive that you find a strong "why". This may sound cliche but it is true. I had to reach a low point of realizing that my life/potential was going to be wasted pursuing a paycheck and promotions. Real estate is very similar to exercise you need dedication, repetition, and a solid diet (education). The fact that you are on BP at the age  of 29 means you are way ahead of most. Keep working towards your goals!

  • Rental Property Investor · Papillion, NE · Member since 2017 · 398 posts · 1k+ votes
    8y

    @Sheila Rao Atlas Shrugged, beyond being an amazingly detailed story, really highlights that providing value is the true goal. Hard work cannot be replaced with laws, policies and handouts. Thanks for reading!

  • Rental Property Investor · Papillion, NE · Member since 2017 · 398 posts · 1k+ votes
    8y

    @Anthony Gayden I may be cool... but not podcast guest of Biggerpockets Money cool! Your story was awesome , I hope to connect soon! 

  • Rental Property Investor · Papillion, NE · Member since 2017 · 398 posts · 1k+ votes
    8y

    @Sara Martin thanks for taking the time to read the post! I began writing the post for myself to help solidify my thoughts and processes glad it is providing value. Best of luck in your investing career.

  • Investor · White Marsh, MD · Member since 2016 · 48 posts · 11 votes
    8y

    Collin, Great article. 92 units in a short time, that is a huge effort on your part. Well done!

  • Member since 2018 · 3 posts · 0 votes
    8y
    @Collin Schwartz Hey Collin, I'm young and new to the game so no one is taking me seriously. What advice would you give me to get rolling in the next few months? I've read Rich Dad Poor Dad, and other books, and I'm excited to get going. Thanks!
  • Rental Property Investor · Papillion, NE · Member since 2017 · 398 posts · 1k+ votes
    8y

    @Brock Simmons one of my partners is 23 years old @Logan Fast and he is a hustler. Age does NOT Matter. I was just at a conference in Nashville and one of the speakers was 24 years old, he was able to raise $2mil in 24 hours for a $10mil syndication deal, anything is possible. Find deals and bring them to those who have resources. Also stay educated and provide value any which way you can. Get you real estate license, start working for a property management company, whatever it takes. Best of luck!

  • Member since 2018 · 3 posts · 0 votes
    8y
    @Collin Schwartz Thank you for your time! And I'll definitely take all of that advice!
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    Rental Property Investor · Omaha, NE · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Collin Schwartz:

    @Anthony Gayden I may be cool... but not podcast guest of Biggerpockets Money cool! Your story was awesome , I hope to connect soon! 

     I would love to hear the details of your story on the podcast. I will try to make it to the meetup on Wednesday.

  • Rental Property Investor · Fort Lauderdale, FL · Member since 2016 · 13 posts · 4 votes
    8y
    @Collin Schwartz Great post. Love the details without the boasting. Hard work and good decisions. Thanks for sharing.
  • Omaha, NE · Member since 2017 · 46 posts · 24 votes
    8y

    @Brock Simmons people not taking you seriously for being young is just something you will need to get used to. I had to message @Collin Schwartz a couple times on BP before even getting a response the first time. Once you spend a good chunk of time reading real estate books and listening to podcasts you will know all the lingo and basic real estate strategies which will allow you to hold conversations with experienced investors that you may be able to help out, learn from, or partner with at some point. 

  • Member since 2018 · 3 posts · 0 votes
    8y

    @Logan Fast Hey thank you so much man!!!

  • Investor · Arlington, VA · Member since 2012 · 1k+ posts · 491 votes
    8y

    @Collin Schwartz congrats on your success!  Thank you for sharing this incredible story, and I wish you continued success!

  • Investor · Lakewood, OH · Member since 2016 · 158 posts · 49 votes
    8y

    @Collin Schwartz Thanks for your response!

    My Why is to establish a life of freedom. I am getting married next October and want to be able to hang out with my future children but it is a little hard to visualize that since I don't have kids and am not married yet.

    What book would you recommend to read next to really pound my why into my head?

    I am about to finish "Building Wealth one house at a time" now.

    Thanks again for all your guidance.

  • Investor · Lake Mary, FL · Member since 2016 · 9 posts · 2 votes
    8y

    Very Impressed bro ...great work!

  • Rental Property Investor · Round Rock, TX · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 971 votes
    8y

    @Collin Schwartz Impressive! How you solved the financing for all these units? Weren't you required to put substantial DP?

  • Rental Property Investor · Baton Rouge | New Orleans, LA · Member since 2018 · 51 posts · 7 votes
    8y
    @Collin Schwartz I tried to use a HELOC on my property as a down payment but the bank wouldn’t lend the money to me since it’d add to my debt to income ratio. Did you use as downpayment or, how’d you fund your initial deal?
  • Rental Property Investor · Papillion, NE · Member since 2017 · 398 posts · 1k+ votes
    8y

    @Sherman Dunn what type of financing are you pursuing? I used Commercial lending and they did allow me to use my HELOC for the downpayment. Might be time to find a new bank!

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