Squatters+liens+drunken neighbors+100miles from home=$40K profit!

Squatters+liens+drunken neighbors+100miles from home=$40K profit!

Laguna Niguel, CA · Member since 2015 · 71 posts · 29 votes

After hundreds of offers on the MLS I finally hit another gold mine. It was a short sale that was already in escrow due to close in 10 days. The agent said the buyer, an investor, had backed out at the last minute for unknown reasons. He had lost not only his deposit but all the time and effort he had put in waiting for the bank to approve of this sale and this price. The deal had been in the works for more than a year I heard. The price seemed to good to be true, especially in Southern California, so I told the agent that I wanted it.

Me: "All cash offer with no contingencies"

Agent: "Ok I'll give it to you, you have my word for it. But before I do, there's a few things I need to let you know"

Me: "Sure, what's that?"

Agent: "First of all, have you seen the house yet?"

Me: "No"

Agent: "Ok. I suggest you go see it first, most likely drive-by only, as there are squatters in it, not one, but many."

Me: "Oh ok"

Agent: "The house has been vacant for a long time, it's been broken into several times, cops have been called by neighbors at least on a couple of occasions, and the city has a pending lien on it due to unsafe dwelling"

Me: "Oh..."

Agent: "The owner lives out of state and he doesn't want to deal with it. The last time I've been to the house was before the squatters moved in. Haven't seen the inside since then"

Me: "And when was that?"

Agent: "Like a long time ago.. I just strongly suggest you first go take a look, at least from the outside, then decide if you want to move forward"

Me: "Sounds like a good idea, thanks"

And so two months after our initial discussion, on October 25, we closed escrow and I became the new owner, with the squatters still in there. Four days after we closed, I was at the house with a uhaul truck getting the guys packing and moving. My contractor was ready to start working on the house at any instant and he needed it empty. It wasn't until well into the construction started that we were able to clean the house out of all the squatters and all their stuff and all the trash and debris that had been accumulating in the house for years. It was so much stuff, so much so that it took me one full day and the contractor two full days, two full 17-footer truckloads and 3 full dump trailer-loads to empty out the whole house. You may be asking why I went thru all the trouble rather than just simply evict them. Well, I'm glad I did what I did. 

Anyways, construction began right the next day and we put our finishing touches by the end of the second week of December. My contractor, who has been in the business for over 30 years, had not seen anything like it before - a lot of things in the house didn't make sense until we found out what has been going on in there. The squatters, that have been living in there for quite some time, were not bad people. In fact, they were decent, trying-to-make-ends-meet people, who themselves got cheated by the real bad people. And I'll tell you I learned that there's all kinds of bad people that make money in strange and clever (with a bad connotation) ways. So yes, the squatters were paying rent to some real bad people who were not even the real owners.

The city inspector came and he loved it, of course, after his memory of the initial sight when the house was full of junk and people. Biggest concern I had from day one, when I went to see it before deciding to proceed with the purchase, was the next door neighbors. Really loud, drinking from sunrise till sunset, and always outside in the patio area which directly faces the house, which is not only audible but very visible. Many of them, mostly male, sometimes female and children too. So I was really worried it could have a potentially negative impact on the resale.  Well, two days after listing the house we got multiple offers, some over asking, and I could not be happier and more grateful to God. 

2017 was the year when I went through the lowest point of my flipping career (albeit a short 2-year one) after losing a significant amount of money and sleep and weight, hair, smile, relationships, self-confidence, and self-esteem. I lost all that but I gained more knowledge and experience, more patience and composure, more will and determination to never give up and keep pushing on. And I sincerely thank God for this blessing as I end the year humble and ready for more.

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  • Investor · Denver, CO · Member since 2016 · 220 posts · 98 votes
    8y

    “2017 was the year when I went through the lowest point of my flipping career (albeit a short 2-year one) after losing a significant amount of money and sleep and weight, hair, smile, relationships, self-confidence, and self-esteem. I lost all that but I gained more knowledge and experience, more patience and composure, more will and determination to never give up and keep pushing on. And I sincerely thank God for this blessing as I end the year humble and ready for more.”

    Wow, I absolutely love your story @Han Oh.You should be extremely proud of yourself.You have done what many of us would be unable to.I must ask, “Why?”What was your “Why?” your reason for going after this house and did you ever doubt yourself to take this on?If so, what kept you going?

    Also curious to know what happened to the squatters and how you handled it.I am assuming they were not too happy with being misplaced, so what did you do, to ensure they did not take it out on you and your property?Also while doing the construction did you have to hire extra security to keep an eye against vandalism or return of squatters?It appears you have sold the home so are the drunk neighbors still there?Do you have any pics you can post?I would love to see what you did in about 2 months of time since you acquired it Oct 25th.The part about the squatters paying rent, whom were they paying rent to and where are the squatters now and the people that were stealing from them?

    Once again, congratulation!I believe this will help you regain what you lost and then some.So what’s next for you? :)

  • China, ME · Member since 2014 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    8y

    @Han Oh What a great story!  Kudos to you for not giving up when things looked so bad - and kudos to the real estate agent who disclosed everything that was going on.

  • Bryan ZuetelPro Member
    Attorney · Orange County, CA · Member since 2017 · 242 posts · 99 votes
    8y

    @Han Oh, great story!  Way to keep going.  I'm just up the road in Mission Viejo.  In what city was your property?

  • Laguna Niguel, CA · Member since 2015 · 71 posts · 29 votes
    8y

    @Anna M. Thank you Anna. There were many reasons I decided to go after this house but the main reason was of course the numbers. One big lesson I learned from a big failed flip was to never trust your numbers until you verify everything with your eyes and in person, including the comps. The numbers made sense when I did them on paper, but it made more sense when I actually went to check out the house itself, the houses in the area that I used for comps, the streets, the neighborhood and everything in between. Of course I also had my contractor come and give a me estimate of repairs and that pretty much solidified it. 

  • Investor · Denver, CO · Member since 2016 · 220 posts · 98 votes
    8y

    Right on, @Han Oh

  • Laguna Niguel, CA · Member since 2015 · 71 posts · 29 votes
    8y
  • Laguna Niguel, CA · Member since 2015 · 71 posts · 29 votes
    8y
    @Anna M. I realized I forgot to answer your other question about the squatters and the neighbors. It took quite a bit of effort, money and time to get "all" the squatters out along with their "belongings" and empty the house out completely of all the junk and debris. Thankfully they were not bad people at all, just people who were taken advantage of and ended up in a bad situation in spite of their best intentions. So I didn't want to make their situation worse than it already was for them and decided to forgo the eviction process and just help them out. So there was no incident in getting them out other than it took a little longer than I anticipated. As for the neighbors, they were nice people too, they just liked drinking and enjoying themselves. My contractor ended up befriending them, helping them with some of their repair needs, even buying them lunch and stuff, to the point where they offered to be the eyes and ears for our house to keep it protected while we were working on it. So all in all, everything turned out really well, and the most important thing I learned from all this is that what goes around comes around, you treat people fairly and nicely and most of the time they will respond to that. Oh and by the way, the house is still in escrow due to close in a few weeks. Once it does I will share the final numbers and also some pictures.
  • Rental Property Investor · Member since 2019 · 62 posts · 46 votes
    7y

    @Han Oh good story with a happy ending :) congratulations! What city was this?

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