Prowling for a Propert

Prowling for a Propert

Real Estate Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2017 · 3 posts · 1 vote

Its been four months I wanted a property.  I've been looking at all the listing sites, criagslist, talking to people, and calling agents, and never did I really see a great deal.

I can't get any financing. I have no income.  But I have a little cash, and I'm trying to buy something that way.  And really the only place I can buy a house with my money is Philadelphia.  

I've been looking there.  My family doesn't approve--they say I'm gonna lose all my money but they never were positive towards my ideas so I try to pay no mind.

Today I drove to Philadelphia, after arranging to see 4 duplexes.  Well, 1 was a house in west philly, near the zoo, where a guy was supposed to meet me.  And the other 3 were duplexes where no one answered the phone.  But I was still going to look in the windows and pull on the front door.

Before meeting Jonathan at Germantown and Greene, I passed a porch--a young lad sitting beside a middle aged man.  "Hello, there," I called.  They nodded.  "Well, I'm here to buy a house," I said to them, and pretty much everybody else that I encountered that day.

And it worked!  By mentioning real estate to about 20 people, I actually had interested conversations with 10 and exchanged numbers with 5.  "Let me get your card," A few of them said.   

But I had no card!  I really wish I had a card.  So there is lesson number one. 

1.  Spend a few dollars purchasing cheap business cards.  They only need your name, phone, email, lic# and brokerage if appropriate.

We went through the house on Greene.  It had a living room, kitchen, 1 bath, family room and bedroom on the first floor.  2 full bedrooms, 1 small, and 1 and a half baths on second floor.  The flat roof was leaking, there was a black, sinking spot in the corner of one of the upper bedrooms. 

"3 thousand to fix the roof," Jonathan said.

"are they gonna put the white stuff on? Isn't that the good stuff?"  I asked

"Well, its all about how they do it.  The method, you see...

We looked through the whole house. The heater was gone.  "Yes you need a new heater," Jonathan said

"Probably about 7-10 grand," I asked.

"Yes about 6."  

It looked good.  The asking price was 55 thousand; when I asked about any wiggle room, Jonathan said,"Given the nature of the demand for the property, if you do not accept it at 55 thousand, I will have to show it to another investor who will.  You are the first person I have shown it to...

"Well, I guess it's on me to decide, huh?" I said.

His friend, whose name I've forgotten, was standing in the room silently studying us.  

"How much money do I need to put down to secure the property?" I asked.

"We can do it with a handshake," Jonathan said.  

We shook hands....

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  • Investor · Scottsdale, AZ · Member since 2017 · 237 posts · 78 votes
    9y

    Awesome !!  Tell the story of the rehab and FLIP (or cashflow) when you are done !!

  • Real Estate Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2017 · 3 posts · 1 vote
    9y

    Thanks, Barry.  I just hope the story is one where the cash is flowing in not out.

    I still have a lot to consider with this house in west philly before signing a contract.  Jonathan agreed to give me until Tuesday to get a home inspection, at which point I need to commit some earnest money.

    Already, I have quite a few reservations. The address posted above is incorrect. That was one of the other places I visited. I'm not sure how to edit old posts, but this rowhouse is near Mantua ave and 43rd. Looking at past sales in the neighborhood, 100k looks like the high end for ARV. There was a 5/2 duplex that recently asked 85k and closed at 60k. And that place was currently rented so I assume all utilities were in working order.

    I am very concerned about not being able to test the plumbing and electric.  Upon second thought, I don't even think there was a water heater in the basement.  I was so preoccupied talking about the lack of furnace that I didn't do a thorough inspection of the basement.  

    The idea that renters were living there and using space heaters is baffling.  When I was in the back yard, it appeared there was a slight gap between the 2nd floor side wall and the next row house (the house I looked at is on the end of the row so only connected on 1 side).

    Property taxes haven't been paid since 2014.  And when I searched the registered owner's name (somewhat unique name) I found a story from 2015 detailing a court case where the owner pulled some really shady (and probably illegal) real estate maneuvers.  So I am leaning towards this property not being a good investment.

    There were 3 other duplexes that I visited yesterday and I also wanted to tell that story in narrative form but I ran out of steam last night and I have to go for now.  

    Any thoughts or advice about the current consideration in west philly are appreciated!

  • Investor · Scottsdale, AZ · Member since 2017 · 237 posts · 78 votes
    9y

    @Account Closed This sounds like a speculative investment on steroids.  If it is not your first rodeo - you probably already have the end game in mind.  I am presuming you live in Philly.  If that is the case, you already know the rental market.  Furnace Shmurnace - who needs em ??!!   If you have already (mentally and financially) moved on to other duplexes in the area, no need to read on.  

    Every REI investor knows the Inspection period is the "punchout" period. Your situation sounds like a classic punchout / BO (best offer) scenario. These properties are sold AS IS. The Owner will do nothing to improve them (I wouldn't if I owned them), but it's Philly, so some crack head or prostitute is gonna rent this place (or are already renting). Sorry for the sarcasm, but getting a renter is not your issue - it's determining the ROI for the property. I have bought two (2) crack houses (a euphemism) and the first one turned out to be a bust, but only because I bought it in 2005. The other one (purchased 2015), a condo, has been turning me a 12% ROI AFTER I bought it for $20K and put $43K into the rehab (in Phoenix).

    Do your math on acquisition, kicking out the "space heater" tenants, rehabbing the place, adding 25% to the current rent, and see where it pencils out. If you can cash flow it with a 10% APR loan (Hard Money) and make 7-15% ROI, then get a loan (Hard Money or otherwise), do a solid ARV worksheet to present to a HML (or otherwise) and tell the Owner you need A B and C repaired.....OR......give $15K in repair concessions (i.e. or whatever amount you think the rehab is gonna cost) and offer that amount. The Owner will either tell you to F**** yourself or will come back and agree to 50-80% of the concessions. If he/she eventually agrees to 85% of your concession requests, buy it, rehab it, cashflow it or sell it. I am guessing cash flow is your best option, with a better tenant (Unless they will agree to live at the Motel 6 on their own dime for 2 months and then come back at 25% higher rent for a sweeeet place).

    Just a few thoughts from a guy who has rehabbed a couple scary "C-D" neighborhood properties.  

    BEAR :-)     

  • Real Estate Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2017 · 3 posts · 1 vote
    9y

    "C-D" is all that I am interested in at the moment. I have just under 100k and I hope to avoid a HML, to cut down on interest and carrying costs. This is my first rodeo so it could be a bumpy ride.

    I passed on the place in Mantua. There is a legitimate duplex in Ogontz near LaSalle. The neighborhood is the nicest one I've been in and it is right next to a big hilly park. It is REO, the bank foreclosed last year and they had to go all the way up to $80k to win at the sheriff sale.

    1 year later, it is finally on the market at $47k.  Yesterday, I was able to view the 2/2 unit but did not get to see the 1/1.  

    I couldn't get ahold of the listing agent when I was there on Saturday but I started a conversation a few doors down with a neighbor, Rob.  He was shocked to hear how cheaply the house was being offered. After I told him that if he helped me close on it I would kick him a thousand bucks, he became my biggest supporter.  He is my 'boots on the ground' keeping me up to date with calls and reports of people looking in the windows of "my house."   Rob, ultimately connected me with the agent who got me into the house.

    This place came on the market 4 days ago.  On the listing, the agent said the bank is taking 10 days before opening any offers.  I am willing to go 10-15% over asking.  Is there a way to submit this with a 3 day expiration?  If it expires, we can just submit the same value again before the 10 day waiting period ends.  My agent didn't think this idea would get us anywhere.  Thoughts? 

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