House hacking a triplex with FHA

House hacking a triplex with FHA

Granite Falls, NC · Member since 2016 · 46 posts · 13 votes

I'm wanting some advice on a deal. I'm looking to FHA into a triplex. I currently have my own house that I purchased in June of this year. I'm looking at possibly doing a deal on a triplex in early 2017 and living in one of the units while also renting my current house. The triplex I'm considering is an old SFH that was transformed into a triplex. They're asking 149,900 for it. Currently the three units rent for 425, 450, and 550. The 425, and 450 units are currently rented and the 550 unit is rented but has an expired lease that they are updating month to month in case someone wants to purchase and move in. A rough analysis shows my total monthly payments being somewhere around 950 a month if I paid asking price for it. That's with 3.5 down, 4% interest, and pmi. Once i moved out, if I kept rents the same, I'm looking at somewhere around 400 a month cash flow. I'm also fairly certain rents can be raised. One concern is that currently the tenants pay for their electricity, and the owner pays for water. I'm still working on finding out what the typical water bill is. If I'm going to live in the property for at least a year, I'm not too worried about having to pay a little out of pocket. It will be my own home afterall. But if I plan on having this property long term, I want to make sure the numbers make sense. I would love to hear what people think of the deal, any tips for negotiating price, etc... If you need any more information, please ask! Thanks. Here is the listing in Lenoir, NC

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/711-Meredith-Ct_Lenoir_NC_28645_M61372-45658#photo1

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Investor · La Vernia, TX · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 865 votes
9y

@Jesse Holshouser

Understand property was renovated into 3-Plex in 2000 (16 years ago).  Just recommending you verify electrical and plumbing systems are up to code.  When was major items last replaced; HVAC, Water heater, Roof, Appliances, etc...  Some may be coming due in near future.  Agree with @Account Closed to have the property thoroughly inspected. If you can identify any CapEx items I listed to be near end of normal life expectancy, then, you can use that as part of you discount negotiation.

I assumed you would be self managing.  However, make sure you still include PM fee in your analysis.  Long term you may eventually need someone else to manage your properties for you.  Also, if you ever sell the property the new buyer will include it in their analysis.  Always best to use full cash flow analysis parameters.

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  • Investor · La Vernia, TX · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 865 votes
    9y

    @Jesse Holshouser

    What are comps for the area? Make sure the property is not over priced. What are all expenses you have identified? Vacancy, PM, CapEx, maintenance, lawn care/snow removal, Insurance, Tax, utilities, other. Any Rehab needed? The property was built in the 70's so it could require updating. Been listed for over 200 days. Must be a reason. Just be careful and do a thorough analysis of the property.

  • District Manager · Salem, OR · Member since 2015 · 1 post · 0 votes
    9y

    I would always look through the lens that you are purchasing through the lens as strictly an investment (non-owner occupied) as anything else will muddy your analysis. 

    There also seems to be a lot missing from your analysis, including you do not seem to be accounting for vacancy rate, prop management fee, and maintenace reserves in particular. 

    Also, im not sure that you are, but do you have a full grasp on what the "real" current market rents are for your units?

    Current rents mean nothing in many cases, after all, they all likely have less than a year in contract. These rents could be vastly undermarket, or vastly over...this is critical for your analysis. 

    An example was from my FHA duplex i bought a couple years ago. My lower 3 bed was rented at $895. Because i knew the rental market, i knew this was some sort of sweetheart deal and indeed it was. 6 months after purchase i let the tenant go and now have it rented for $1295/month after only an interior paint job.

    Overall, when accounting for what you do not appear to be accounting for, you look to be in the red in this deal

  • Granite Falls, NC · Member since 2016 · 46 posts · 13 votes
    9y

    @John Leavelle @Account Closed My numbers are taking into account 7% vacancy. 5% maintenance, insurance, and taxes. I would be managing the property myself. The property was built in 78 as a SFH and remodeled in the 2000s into a triplex so there are no major updates needed. The only CapEx it may need in the near future i replacing the stairs leading to the upper unit on the outside of the house. This is a fairly inexpensive project I can do myself. The rents are definitely under market rent. I haven't spoken with the owner about this yet, but I don't think rents have been raised at all. I also think it is definitely over priced which may be why it been on the market over 200 days. I wouldn't pay more than 130-135k. I also am capable of paying 20% down now, which would make the number look even better but lower my COC ROI, and why would I when I can invest the extra elsewhere while I live there. I can always refinance later.

  • Lender · Member since 2015 · 68 posts · 11 votes
    9y

    It looks like your numbers are pretty good. You seem to have the right mindset going in. I would double check market rents if you get them from a real estate salesperson or online sometimes they can be off compared what is actually people are willing to pay. Regardless, I'm sure you can increase rents some. I would get a good inspection on the house and maybe be a little more conservative on the rates and calculate for like 4.5% interest rate just in case. Keep extra cash on the side for quick repairs. Boom! a new asset in your asset column I like the deal go get that asset!

  • Investor · La Vernia, TX · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 865 votes
    9y

    @Jesse Holshouser

    Understand property was renovated into 3-Plex in 2000 (16 years ago).  Just recommending you verify electrical and plumbing systems are up to code.  When was major items last replaced; HVAC, Water heater, Roof, Appliances, etc...  Some may be coming due in near future.  Agree with @Account Closed to have the property thoroughly inspected. If you can identify any CapEx items I listed to be near end of normal life expectancy, then, you can use that as part of you discount negotiation.

    I assumed you would be self managing.  However, make sure you still include PM fee in your analysis.  Long term you may eventually need someone else to manage your properties for you.  Also, if you ever sell the property the new buyer will include it in their analysis.  Always best to use full cash flow analysis parameters.

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