Purchasing 4 low income rental properties analysis and discussion

Purchasing 4 low income rental properties analysis and discussion

New York City, NY · Member since 2013 · 110 posts · 15 votes

Hello everyone!

As the equity market gets more and more unpredictable i'm looking at putting money in real estate rental properties. This will be my first deal and venture into real estate. As i am living in NYC currently, it's difficult to find the right deals at the right prices here. Things are pricy, international investors park so much money here and thin out the margins and taxes and CAM fees are through the roof, and i don’t like the idea of speculating on appreciation. With that being said, i've witnessed what i perceive to be some people making pretty good returns with low income properties in my small hometown, so i’ve decided to take a much closer look. Please see below for a complete overview of the deal I'm analyzing. As i progress, i will make this into a full diary so hopefully others can learn from all of your insight and feedback to what i present

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Looking to purchase four well maintained, single family low income rental properties located in low income neighborhoods. Properties are all up to date, need no rehab, and are within 5 miles of each other. Three of the four properties are currently occupied by paying tenants (waiting for rental payment verifications).

More about the location and demographics:

The counties population, as of 2010 was 66,501

The properties are located within city limits, which has a population of 36,837

(In year 2000, 35,318 people. The population has and continues to slightly decrease)

Nearest majore metropolitan area (1 million +) is 47 miles away.

Median household income is $34,288 (it was $33,124 in year 2000)

Estimated median house or condo value in 2012 was $78,505

Median gross rent in 2012 was $664

Unemployment rate: 5.9%

Median age is 37.3

Under 5 years - 2,431 - 6.6%

5 to 9 years - 2,225 - 6.0%

10 to 14 years - 2,129 - 5.8%

15 to 19 years - 2,308 - 6.3%

20 to 24 years - 2,739 - 7.4%

25 to 29 years - 2,812 - 7.6%

30 to 34 years - 2,687 - 7.3%

35 to 39 years - 2,486 - 6.7%

40 to 44 years - 2,614 - 7.1%

45 to 49 years - 2,830 - 7.7%

50 to 54 years - 2,706 - 7.3%

55 to 59 years - 2,309 - 6.3%

60 to 64 years - 1,936 - 5.3%

65 to 69 years - 1,301 - 3.5%

70 to 74 years - 1,006 - 2.7%

75 to 79 years - 848 - 2.3%

80 to 84 years - 771 - 2.1%

85 years and over - 699 - 1.9%

Single-family new house construction building permits:

2009: 3 buildings, average cost $133,200

2010: 5 buildings, average cost $229,200

2011: 22 buildings, average cost $107,300

2012: 2 buildings, average cost $60,000

Housing Occupancy:

Total housing units 15,066

Occupied housing units 12,868 - 85.4%

Vacant housing units 2,198 - 14.6

For rent - 816 - 5.4

Rented, not occupied - 31 - 0.2

For sale only - 263 - 1.7

Sold, not occupied - 48 - 0.3

Homeowner vacancy rate 3.4%

Rental vacancy rate 12.9

Properties:

Property A - 2/1 - 640 square feet - $25,000

Property B - 2/1 - 1040 sq ft - $22,000

Property C - 2/1 - 1070 sq ft - $20,000

Property D - 3/1.5 - 1248 sq ft - $22,000

Properties all well maintaned and rented, or rent ready. Details below:

Financials

(Properties pass 2% rule and look good after 50% rule)

Asking Price:                                 $89,000

Gross rental income                      $22,800

Expenses:

Insurance (1.2% of value)              $1,200

Taxes                                             $2,400

Vacancy (7.5%)                             $1,710

Maintencance (10%)                     $2,280

CapEx (10%) $2,280

Property Mgt (10%)                      $2,280

HOA $0

Total Expenses                              $12,150

ROI 13.6%

Questions, Thoughts, and Concerns

The following are some questions and conerns i’m currently internalizing. If anyone can shed some insight, i’d be greatly appreciative!

1)I need to be an absentee owner. However, there are no real property management firms in the area, but there are a handful of indivudals/handymen who look after properties for other owners. Thus is it possible to find a qualified property manager at a price that makes economical sense? Perhaps i can find another local landlord, and see if he or she would like the added income of managing additional properties. I’ve chosen the area due to it being my hometown and having friends and family in the area.

2) OR, would you immediately recommend staying away from absentee owning low income properties? I understand screening tenants, expecting great turnover, higher maintenance, etc. With that being said i question whether it’s more of a job than an investment? Would i need to be physically present for evictions or any other matters?

3) Neighboorhoods could further deteriate, making the houses unapealing to renters. However, there is currently no new developments in place in the town, low inventory, and high demand for rentals. I don’t expect any appreciation, but how far could low income properties depreciate?

4) I presented demographic information because i do think there could be longer term risks with small towns like these. People migrate instead of renovate, people are moving off to larger cities, the population is aging (leaving less people who may likely rent), and the population is decreasing. Anyone invest in a similar environmnent and disagree?

4) Does it make sense to pay cash for a deal like this, with the low interest rate environment. In other words, should i use my good credit and cash to take advantage of the low interest rates in order to take advantage of leverage. Along with having interst payments that are tax deductible. Or perhaps seeing about owner financing, or if someone else has a more creative way of funding it that could make more money long term?!

5) The expenses in my financials are rough estimates. Could these be far off for such properties?

Thank you all for taking the time to read.

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Investor · Singapore · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 3k+ votes
11y

I would not invest in such a small market. Just because its your hometown does not make it a good investment. Far too much risk of vacancy and you will end up with non ideal tenants just to fill the place. Long term demographic trends also work against you so you never get rent increases OR appreciation while your costs go up every year.

 I would also not invest remotely in low income properties and especially not without a solid PM. These properties and tenants come with lots of hands on management needs. Rent is not paid automatically through some direct deposit. They are hard on the property. More maintenance calls. Screening and selection is very critical and you may show the property a dozen times before you get a suitable tenant (even harder in a small town and low income). 

I assume you would buy cash. I strongly suggest looking at alternative investments (lending, private placement funds, etc) where double digit returns are possible without the risk and hassle of owning these kinds of rentals.

@Brice Hall

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  • New York City, NY · Member since 2013 · 110 posts · 15 votes
    11y

    @Jeff S.thanks for the feedback, i agree! i did meet the tenants, and they appear to be taking care of the properties and plan to stay put for awhile. I guess what i'm really looking for, is an average per house of cap ex and maintenance i can expect over 5 years, 10 years, and 15 years. 

  • New York City, NY · Member since 2013 · 110 posts · 15 votes
    11y

    @Jeff S., sorry going back to your origional post, you said: 

    "So, forget the 50% rule. And, the 2% rule won't help you either. For 3 properties I would estimate at least 750 mo for maintenance and capex."

    I completely agree with forgetting the percentage rules with these properties now. But you said to estimate 750/mo for maintenance and capex. So you would say $1000 per month for four properties? it would really be this high? thanks again

  • Specialist · Portland, OR · Member since 2010 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    11y

    @Brice Hall it is shocking what it  costs. I have some examples for you. When I bought 3 properties in 1991 I had no money so bought them with tenants and scraped by and have done repairs with cash flow. I also worked a very full-time job. These records are from 1991 for 20 years from my tax returns. Have other updates but they are similar to this.

    Property #1. Bought 1991 with section 8 tenant who stayed 13 years. Did almost no work during that time. A real cash cow. When she moved out I put around 20k into it. I am currently facing some big capex expenses from dry rot in an add on kitchen/bath area and the roof is once again getting tired looking.

    The numbers: Cleaning and maintenance is 11,676; repairs 7324; supplies 2697; capex 22,073. this house is early 1900's built. 11,676+7324+2697+22073=43,770/20 years = 2188.50 per year or 182.38 per mo. Now I have only had one vacancy during that time. When you consider upcoming repairs and inflation plus you will have much more turnover.

    Will follow with other posts for other places.

  • Specialist · Portland, OR · Member since 2010 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    11y

    @Brice Hall here is property #2. It is a duplex bought in 1991. It currently has original water lines from 1910 and one meter. New water lines and a new meter about 18k. Currently in excellent condition with new roof, paint etc.

    The numbers: Cleaning and maintenance 2518; repairs 30287; supplies 1680; capex 14,000.

    Again this is over 20 years current numbers play out a little higher. 2518+30287+1680+14000= 48,485/20 years = 2424 per year or 202 per month.

    This property has little turnover with one original tenant and generally gentle tenants with perfect credit and no drama. 

    If you add the water line replacement that would add 75 mo over that 20 years.

  • Specialist · Portland, OR · Member since 2010 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    11y

    @Brice Hall the 3rd is also a duplex, early 20's built. Slumlord owner with ratty tenants when I bought. Again, had no money so keep tenants until they start paying late then kick them out and clean up. Had to keep the windows open for a couple of weeks to get the smell out, long story.

    Same as others bought 1991 records for 20 years.

    The numbers: Cleaning and maintenance 10555; repairs (capex lumped in) 48953.

    10555+48953=59508/20 years = 2975 per year or 248 per mo.

    This building is in excellent shape too but original water lines and some dry rot in and under the porch. Very limited turnover.

    With these 3 building or 5 units the average tenant has been there 7 yrs. All pay on time, no hassles.

    Considering upcoming larger repairs will be budgeting 250 per building which includes a house and condo.

  • Specialist · Portland, OR · Member since 2010 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    11y

    @Brice Hall with the tenant population you would be dealing with you could have a trash out per year. What does that cost? $1,000?

    If you get paint guns and get in and out quick you can cut the heck out of your expenses. If you want to be a perfectionist I think you will lose your shirt. 

    It is all about managing expenses and getting good tenants. I have had properties that attract bad tenants. When I determine if a property only seems to attract low quality tenants I sell it. I am a low maintenance kind of guy, don't want a lot of brain damage.

  • New York City, NY · Member since 2013 · 110 posts · 15 votes
    11y

    @Jeff S. wow, thank you for taking the time to share such information. The expenses are far higher than I expected, and I've come to the conclusion that no SFR bringing in only $500 per month in rent can ever make a good return, particularly if it isn't self managed nor expected to ever appreciate. Hopefully you get better scale with your duplexes and a higher rent to offset these expenses. Thanks again for sharing

  • Investor · Park ridge, IL · Member since 2014 · 84 posts · 33 votes
    11y

    I have not experienced these types of properties however I know people who do very well and they tell me all of the horror stories. I just spoke with one of them who had a low income condo and the tenants stole every appliance and all the the cabinets and fixtures in the condo along with doors and even the toilets. He did get to keep the security deposit but it did not come close to the replacement value. He promptly sold the unit as is and cut his loses. It's a gamble I suppose however these types of tenants can be big problems. It seems like more investors go for these types of properties because they are affordable and can accumulate more properties for their portfolio. Not saying it can't work but I myself couldn't deal with it. 

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