Birmingham Fourplex

Birmingham Fourplex

Birmingham, AL · Member since 2013 · 13 posts · 0 votes

Hi All. I have the opportunity to purchase a 4 plex (2 duplexes) located next to each other for 99,500. The property is located in Birmingham, Alabama, in the East Lake area. The units are 2br/1.5 bath and appear to be approximately 1100 square feet per unit. Tenant pays electricity and water/sewer. Here are the numbers for 2013:

Total Income (2013 actual): $24,940

Expenses (2013 actual; this is where it gets tricky); I have listed in groups as seller has listed:

1) Repairs & Maintenance: $14,202

*The $14,202 includes $9,000 for installation of 2 new HVAC units in 2013. Remove those 2 items and R&M is $5202.

However, I question why seller would sell the year after incurring such an expense?

2) Ground & Site: $3296

*Includes $3152 for landscaping. Broker states that Seller includes landscaping expenses for several other properties in the expense statement for subject property; Seller estimates that landscaping for the subject property alone would be only $1000. So, by reducing the Ground & Site by $2152, total Ground & Site expenses are $1144.

3) Administrative: $13,654

*Includes $11,231 for property insurance. Again, the Broker states that Seller includes property insurance expenses for several properties in the expense statement for the subject property. Seller estimates property insurance should be $1200. Removing the excess property insurance leaves total Administrative expenses of $3623.

4) Utilities (common area electricity) - none provided but using January and February of 2014 numbers, which average $42.50 per month, I'm sticking in $510 for this expense.

Total Expenses (as is): $31,662

NOI = (6,722)

Total Expenses (with above noted adjustments): $10,479

NOI = $14,461

Currently, the property is 100% occupied with each unit renting for $525. That produces total rental income of $25,200 per year (4 x $525 = $2100 x 12 = $25,200). I discounted that number by 10% for vacancy and collection loss to produce a net number of $22,680

$22,680 - $10,479 (adjusted 2013 expenses) = $12,201 NOI

Putting $25,000 down on the full asking price leaves a mortgage of $74,500; financed over 20 years at 6% = $6405 annual debt service.

Cash on Cash Return = 23.18%

Assume $25,000 down payment plus $20,000 for closing costs and repairs:

Cash on Cash Return = 12.88 %

2014 Annualized:

Expenses for Jan & Feb of 2014 totalled $10,000. This includes another $3696 for Property Insurance and an expense of $3255 as a make ready after a 10 year tenant moved out of one of the units. Removing the make ready expense and reducing the Property Insurance expense to $100 per month leaves total expenses $1625 on average ($10,000 - $3696 + $200 - $3255 = $3249), and annualized expenses of $19,500.

Utilizing the 2013 income numbers, NOI = $3180 (22,680 - 19500). Obviously, the deal is not doable at full purchase price.

At purchase price of $75,000 with 25% ($18,750) down, remainder of $56,250 financed over 20 years at 6% = $4836 annual debt service.

At purchase price of $50,000 with 25% ($12,500) down, remainder of $37,500 financed over 20 years at 6% = $3223 annual debt service.

How does this deal look to the forum members? As mentioned above, I question why the Seller would sell so soon after incurring the expense of 2 HVAC units. Based on 2014 annualized numbers, it does not cash flow.

For you Birmingham investors on here, is East Lake a war zone?

What else am I missing?

Thanks for your help.

Rand

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Birmingham, AL · Member since 2013 · 149 posts · 44 votes
12y

I am a local Birmingham investor and broker and have about 20 properties in East Lake. I just picked up a duplex for $18,900 and renovating it with about $22,000 in repairs. Rents are $500 per unit. I usually net minimum 15% NOI for every property I have in the area give or take.

I would classify East Lake as a low income neighborhood but it really is for those who want to buy and hold. It's not a buy and flip area.

I would check to make sure there are four meters on the property. I would also want to see the leases to see how long tenants have been in the property. Most likely they are section 8 and you need to know which housing authority they are with. Also, who is managing the property? I would want to see last 6 months rent rolls to see if tenants were paying on time. It's a great deal if tenants pay on time but if they do not, then you've headaches.

I know your property and along with my duplex, have two other houses on the same street. Also, this street is very long and my properties are a mile from yours. Your property is surrounded by low income multi units and I would not buy on this particular block. Finally, $99K price is high for this property. It has been on the market for 60 days with no price reduction.

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  • Jean BolgerPro Member
    Aurora, CO · Member since 2012 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    12y

    What the heck with those expense numbers? Are they from the seller's schedule E? Seems like these are basically useless for your purposes. I'd forget about their "estimates" and do a little research on insurance, landscaping, utilities.

    On the surface of it, $2100 gross per month for 99.5k seems pretty decent to me, but you have to consider location, age , quality of construction, etc.

  • Buy and Hold Investor · Commack, NY · Member since 2008 · 353 posts · 33 votes
    12y

    Hi Rand.

    There are some rougher areas of East Lake. I have a house on 1st Avenue South, near the intersection of Oporto Madrid Boulevard which the local element has done some damage to, and yes, stolen the central HVAC unit, which is possibly why the owner is looking to sell (along with the fact that the property doesn't cash flow).

    Is the property you are looking at close to that address? I am not from Birmingham, so if it's not in that vicinity, then I can't tell you how the rest of East Lake is, but there are plenty of local investors on BP that can give you good feedback on your specific location.

  • Birmingham, AL · Member since 2013 · 13 posts · 0 votes
    12y

    Thanks Jean and Dawn for your replies. Jean - no the numbers above were provided by Seller's broker. I do not have this under contract, so I have not asked for, or received, the Seller's tax filings. Dawn, this property is at 8200 2nd Ave. South, which I believe is several miles from where your property is located.

  • Buy and Hold Investor · Commack, NY · Member since 2008 · 353 posts · 33 votes
    12y

    My property is actually 1 avenue over and between 78th and 77th Streets, so 4 to 5 blocks down. Altogether it's 0.7 miles away. Not sure if that is "far enough" away or how East Lake goes in that direction. Being that you are located in Birmingham, I would recommend you at least drive by the property (at different times of the day and night) to check out the neighborhood dynamic.

    Other than that, I would request the exact numbers, and do not go by what the broker is telling you. Remember, they are working for the seller, not for you.

  • Rental Property Investor · Brookline, MA · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 777 votes
    12y

    @Rand Linton

    I'd look at this place. It meets my rough numbers; 15% cash on cash and $100/door/month.

    I see $2100 in income against the following expenses:

    Mortgage Rate 4.75% (I just got a slightly lower rate from TD on an investment multi)

    Length of Mortgage in years 30 (I always lower my payment as far as possible, no sense in doing 20 if you can do 30 in my book)

    Monthly Mortgage payment $467.53

    Taxes $327.08 (I made this up, what are the taxes on the property?)

    Sewer and Water $-

    Trash $- (Is this expense covered by taxes? If not, how is trash removed from the property?)

    Heat/Utilities $42.50

    HOA $-

    Cap Ex and Ops $300.00 (My minimum per roof is $150/month. You have 2 roofs)

    Insurance $100.00 ($1200/year seems low to me for 2 separate houses. Can you get a copy of the current bill?)

    Mgmt Fee $210.00 (10%)

    Vacancy $210.00 (10%)

    Total Expenses $1,657.11

  • Birmingham, AL · Member since 2013 · 13 posts · 0 votes
    12y

    Thanks Aaron and Dawn (again) for your advice.

  • Birmingham, AL · Member since 2013 · 149 posts · 44 votes
    12y

    I am a local Birmingham investor and broker and have about 20 properties in East Lake. I just picked up a duplex for $18,900 and renovating it with about $22,000 in repairs. Rents are $500 per unit. I usually net minimum 15% NOI for every property I have in the area give or take.

    I would classify East Lake as a low income neighborhood but it really is for those who want to buy and hold. It's not a buy and flip area.

    I would check to make sure there are four meters on the property. I would also want to see the leases to see how long tenants have been in the property. Most likely they are section 8 and you need to know which housing authority they are with. Also, who is managing the property? I would want to see last 6 months rent rolls to see if tenants were paying on time. It's a great deal if tenants pay on time but if they do not, then you've headaches.

    I know your property and along with my duplex, have two other houses on the same street. Also, this street is very long and my properties are a mile from yours. Your property is surrounded by low income multi units and I would not buy on this particular block. Finally, $99K price is high for this property. It has been on the market for 60 days with no price reduction.

  • Birmingham, AL · Member since 2013 · 13 posts · 0 votes
    12y

    Jonathan - can't thank you enough for your advice. Do I understand you to say you spent $22,000 on renovations alone?

  • Investor · Birmingham, AL · Member since 2010 · 72 posts · 21 votes
    12y

    There are better opportunities if you really want to be in that area. If I were an investor looking to buy in the Eastlake area, I would look for properties on the outskirts of Woodlawn, Crestline, and Roebuck. Neighborhood revitalization is well underway in these area. The center area of Eastlake are D properties and should be priced accordingly.

  • Birmingham, AL · Member since 2013 · 149 posts · 44 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Rand Linton:
    Jonathan - can't thank you enough for your advice. Do I understand you to say you spent $22,000 on renovations alone?

    That's correct. When completed, it will be a new property and the net cap will be at my target goal or higher. Depending on the property and location, I have been in as low as $6,000 and as high as $35,000 on renovations. My purchase price and decision to buy is dependent upon cost of renovations.

  • Birmingham, AL · Member since 2013 · 149 posts · 44 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @George Gray:
    There are better opportunities if you really want to be in that area. If I were an investor looking to buy in the Eastlake area, I would look for properties on the outskirts of Woodlawn, Crestline, and Roebuck. Neighborhood revitalization is well underway in these area. The center area of Eastlake are D properties and should be priced accordingly.

    East Lake is best when you want a low cost investment with high cap rates but with a slower build up of equity. You make your money on cash flow over a 5-10 year period. I would recommend that this type of investment for local investors or operators like myself who can provide turnkey services for out of state investors.

    Roebuck, Woodlawn and Crestline will be higher cost of investment, same cap rates and a bit stronger of an equity position over the same time period. A good strategy for out of state investors with a strong property management company in place.

  • Birmingham, AL · Member since 2013 · 13 posts · 0 votes
    12y

    Thanks George and Jonathan for all of your advice.

  • Investor · Birmingham, AL · Member since 2010 · 72 posts · 21 votes
    12y
  • Rental Property Investor · Orlando · Member since 2016 · 113 posts · 45 votes
    6y

    Anybody else got an update on this area? woodlawn/kingston?


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