21 months in, 15+ deals either done or in the pipe

21 months in, 15+ deals either done or in the pipe

Flipper/Rehabber · Orange, CA · Member since 2012 · 68 posts · 63 votes

All deals done in Southern California....over the past 21 months

Deal #1 got offer accepted at $100K for a duplex, wholesaled it for $107,000 to a cash buyer, netted $3500 +/-

Deal #2 got offer accepted at $105K for 3/2 SFR, wholesaled it for $112K to same cash buyer, netted $3500 +/-

(decided I wanted to be able to buy the next house cash, locked myself in my office, worked my butt off 7 days a week 10-14 hours a day, saved every penny for 9 months, now I was ready!)

Deal#3: paid 85K cash for 2/1 SFR, spent $15K on rehab, sold for $140K

#4: paid $86K cash for 2/1 SFR, spent 15K on rehab, sold for $156K

#5 paid $104K used hard money for 2/2 SFR, spent 14K on rehab, sold for $170K (put 20% down, plus rehab, and holding cost, total investment was $40K, netted $30K in 90 days, show me another way to make 75% return in 3 months with little to no risk!!!) - It's funny, now that I have the money to pay cash I have made contacts and met other investors, turns out there's so much cash laying around looking for deals to invest in, I no longer have to use all my cash to buy

#6 paid 85K used hard money for 3/1 SFR, spent ZERO on rehab, sold for $127K (buyer paid $110,000 cash, and agreed to a $17,000 1 year balloon note at 9%, which will pay off next month, created $125/month income for 12 months, and a nice pop is coming!)

deals 7 and 8 had a partner - he found the home, I fixed it up, managed the rehab, he sold it, we split the net profit...these were ok deals we split $20,000 on each deal but they took 5 months and 9 months respectively due to issues with contractors doing shoddy work....so if you figure our profit at an hourly rate these were not barn burners...but hey it's $20,000 I didn't have before, so I am fine with that

#8 paid $265K used hard money, spent ZERO on rehab, wholesaled it in 12 days for $360,000, that was a nice one (sad back story on this one, owner of the property was busted for selling drugs and arrested, then deported to Mexico, so wife took over the drug selling biz...then she got popped, in order for me to be able to close on the home, Escrow had to go to the jail to have the wife sign, then hire a mobile notary to drive down to the SD/Mexico border to have the husband sign) death, divorce, drugs, disease....the 4 D's that create real estate opportunities, sad but true

#9 paid $205K used hard money, spent $25K on rehab, sold for $300,000

#10 paid $90K for 3/2 SFR, used hard money, spent $3500 on rehab, rented out for $800/month, slight negative cashflow currently (-$150/month), market value is $130K now, plan on refinancing into better loan in 3 months, will cashflow $300/month after the refi

#11 paid $108K for 3/1 SFR used hard money, spent $3000 on rehab, rented out for $850/month, slight negative cashflow currently (-$190/month, market value is $140,000 now, plan on refi into better loan in 3 months, will cashflow $150-$200 after the refi

#12 paid $125,000 for 4/2 SFR used hard money, spent $0 on rehab, house already had a tenant in it paying $900/month, will be raising rent to $1150/month, market value is $160,000, plan on refi into better loan in 3 months, will cashflow approx. $500/month after the refi

#13 invested $50,000 with my parents to buy a triplex, for $530,000, property cashflows $1000/month from day one, and value has increased to $650,000

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in current pipeline/in escrow - thru these deals I've made good friends and I've made my hard money lender some good money, hard money lender let me know he has $5,000,000 +/- sitting in the bank looking for houses to invest in, and he's given me the green light. So if I think it's a deal, he is on board

deal #14 $75K purchase for 3/2 SFR, needs $7500 in repairs, will sell for $130,000, will use hard money, fix and flip, or might keep as a rental, will rent for $900/month

deal #15 $105,000 purchase for 4/2 SFR, needs 13K in repairs, will sell for $150,000, will use hard money, fix and flip, or might keep as rental, will rent for $1100/month

deal #16 $140,000 purchase for duplex each side is 2 bed/2 bath, monthly rent $1800, will use hard money to buy then refi after 6 months seasoning, should cashflow $800/month +/-

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Real estate has allowed me to create over $500,000 in cash and equity in less than 2 years, I'm still pretty shocked by that, but very happy as well

I've never done direct mail, these were all done by networking with agents and writing 300 + cash offers to purchase on properties listed on the MLS. If somebody knows anything about direct mail I'd love to learn that part of the business. Direct mail gets you to the seller directly, no agents involved, I know working directly with sellers is the way to get great deals.

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BP is a great source if information, and the contributors are so positive, I love it here and check back often. Thank you for what you do.

Please let me know your thoughts. Am I doing the right thing moving away from flipping into buying and holding? should I still flip some/keep some or should I try to keep everything that makes sense as a rental? I don't want to have success just to have it blow up in my face just as quick...I want to keep loan to values as low as possible with the goal of paying off the properties in 5-10 years, and have cashflow for life

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Investor · Rancho Cucamonga, CA · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 684 votes
12y

Congrats on the success. I think you should definitely continue to flip but also hold the properties that make sense. Come up with a criteria on rentals and stick to it.

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  • Investor · Rancho Cucamonga, CA · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 684 votes
    12y

    Congrats on the success. I think you should definitely continue to flip but also hold the properties that make sense. Come up with a criteria on rentals and stick to it.

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Orange, CA · Member since 2012 · 68 posts · 63 votes
    12y

    Thanks for the reply. can you give me an idea of what criteria I should look for in rentals, what makes sense to you to keep as a rental?

  • Rehabber · Smyrna, GA · Member since 2013 · 864 posts · 510 votes
    12y

    Man I'm impressed, there's a whole lotta awesome here. You'll need to make those decisions yourself on strategy, it'll depend a LOT on your market. I personally got out of the rental business, but most people on here are buy and hold folks. It's always good to diversify, but the two are vastly different businesses.

    If you can buy them right and cash flow them right, its a viable business model for sure. You are doing a whole lot of things right. I worry a little about your numbers and "cash flow" mentioned, you cant just take rent minus payments, some of those rentals seem pretty thin.

    I love this:

    "I've never done direct mail, these were all done by networking with agents and writing 300 + cash offers to purchase on properties listed on the MLS."

    Never forget, this game is about MAKING OFFERS. Make enough offers and you'll get some deals. I still buy some out of MLS, getting harder to do, but the deals are there if you mine them.

    There are some direct mail pros on here that will chime in soon, I'm sure. I got a pretty low response rate from my recent postcard mailout, but my phone was ringing for sure and it was easy. Good way to target the right folks, just have to test things for your market and strategy.

  • Investor · Wichita Falls, TX · Member since 2010 · 3k+ posts · 603 votes
    12y

    Wow this is inspiring. Thanks for sharing your success so far @Peter Hanson

    Do you have an agent that's happy to write 300+ offers for you or are you an agent yourself?

  • Residential Real Estate Agent · Cookeville, TN · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 948 votes
    12y

    @Peter Hanson - Wow, great success. As to your question regarding moving into rentals: Just be careful. Especially with multi-family. A mistake there can eat you alive and can really drag you down. Read some of my other posts about negative cash-flow and multi-family properties.

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Orange, CA · Member since 2012 · 68 posts · 63 votes
    12y

    @mehran I'm an agent so the amount of offers written were probably 50% me and 50% outside agents, it takes a lot of offers and networking to get deals, there is a lot of competition here in So. Cal

    @ you are right, I need to factor in vacant, repairs, management, but they are SFRs so tenants are paying for water,power,trash,gas, etc. That being said, you are right the cashflow will probably be 1/2 of what I quoted, sorry about that

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Orange, CA · Member since 2012 · 68 posts · 63 votes
    12y

    @ thank you so much, I will check those out

  • Investor · Wichita Falls, TX · Member since 2010 · 3k+ posts · 603 votes
    12y

    I'm convinced I need to get my RE License. Thanks @Peter Hanson!

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Orange, CA · Member since 2012 · 68 posts · 63 votes
    12y

    @ without a doubt, it will change your life

  • Wholesaler · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2010 · 8 posts · 1 vote
    12y

    Great Story! Just what I needed to read. After a successful start to the year, I've become distracted and lost my focus. I have been so caught up on how and what to spend money on that my business is not receiving what it needs. What stood out and spoke to me is when you said "I decided I wanted" and then put a plan together and took action, bust most importantly saw it through. Thank you! Continue to build and knock down goals. Just do it!

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Orange, CA · Member since 2012 · 68 posts · 63 votes
    12y

    @ thank you! good luck to you

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Orange, CA · Member since 2012 · 68 posts · 63 votes
    12y

    @ - imagine if you had your real estate license and could post homes for sale on the MLS. If you find a seller who needs to sell you could buy the house, then once you close on it and fix it up, you can list it for sale on the MLS. Once it goes in the MLS it gets linked to trulia, Zillow, redfin, etc (about 50+ other websites) so your home listed on the MLS gets in front of MILLIONS of eyes.....think about that power and how much easier it would be to sell your house. And you save the 3% commission by selling it yourself. Good luck

  • Orlando, FL · Member since 2013 · 165 posts · 62 votes
    12y

    You are doing great. If you are not convinced that you need to get your real estate license, read this .

    http://www.biggerpockets.com/blogs/3840/blog_posts/33599-why-you-want-a-real-estate-license

    Keep doing what you are doing.

  • Wholesaler · Arlington, TX · Member since 2013 · 59 posts · 29 votes
    12y

    Very awesome journey so far. It's amazing what can be done and what you have done within such a short amount of time. Best of luck!

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Orange, CA · Member since 2012 · 68 posts · 63 votes
    12y

    @ thanks, it's a lot of hard work, lots of writing offers, lots of disappointment, but I love it, so I wouldn't have it any other way. I am hooked on Real Estate, and each day is a new challenge

  • Developer · Boston, MA · Member since 2013 · 35 posts · 5 votes
    12y

    Awesome job @Peter Hanson ! Myself and business partner started with buy and hold and moved into the rehab space about 6 months ago. We have one deal underway and another deal in the pipeline which we close on at the end of February. I am assuming based on the number of offers you are writing you don't go out and look at the house until your offer is accepted? If so, do you just base your estimated rehab on pictures in MLS and then tweak your numbers and sometimes renegotiate once you see the property?

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Orange, CA · Member since 2012 · 68 posts · 63 votes
    12y

    @ that's funny, you started in buy and hold and moved into rehabs, that's opposite of what I always see, but whatever works for you, that's great. keep in mind all the houses I buy, fix and flip have been under 1000 SF, it's pretty easy to make a tiny little house look pretty nice for approx. $15K-20K worth of fix up i.e. (granite, new fixtures, new cabinet doors, new wood/carpet, new paint, new toilets, landscaping, seal/spray the tub, new lighting, new doors, etc). The bigger homes I usually wholesale because the rehab gets costly, on one house I got 4 contractor estimates ($55K, $60K, $48K, and $65K!!!) and the house was only 1200 SF 3 bed/1 bath, and when you are in the 250-$400K loan range your holding costs can kill you real quick....

    "I am assuming based on the number of offers you are writing you don't go out and look at the house until your offer is accepted? If so, do you just base your estimated rehab on pictures in MLS and then tweak your numbers and sometimes renegotiate once you see the property? " - I only make offers in areas I know like the back of my hand, or areas Ive done other flips in. I don't mess with major structural issues/foundation problems, just cosmetic stuff so the rehab budget stays low. I have a buddy who all he does is buy houses with foundation issues, he's a civil engineer and contractor, he can fix stuff that people thought would cost $70,000, he fixed it for $5500 because he knows what he's doing....figure out your strengths and use them to make deals work.

    Forget "renegotiating" if it's a short sale or REO, I haven't had much luck there....standard sale ya, you have some wiggle room. I've gotten 3 deals accepted because I offered over asking all cash to get the offer accepted, then when I had the home inspector do his thing I found tons of repairs, seller was looking at me knowing I could write him a check for the house if he would come down to my price, he knew he had to do all the repairs if I walked away....so he came down. he was a little miffed/pissed, but he didn't have to take the offer, and the price I offered was fair. Now that he knows all the issues with his property he might be even more motivated to sell, who knows.

    Good luck....

  • Real Estate Investor · Dallas, TX · Member since 2013 · 16 posts · 8 votes
    12y

    @Peter Hanson Great job on all of your success! You've really capitalized on the upswing in the RE market. Question: Why are you waiting 6 months for the properties to season before refinancing? Most lenders I work with in TX will refi a HML as soon as the rehab is complete. That will really help your negative cash flow situation and help you acquire more rentals. Buy and hold is definitely the best route for a long term source of income and wealth accumulation. If I were you, I would continue flipping the higher value homes that fall in your lap ($150k + homes) and keep the lower value homes ($80-150k range) for rentals as those will provide a more stable/consistent cash flow over a longer period of time. I shoot to at least net $100/month/unit, but you can obviously net more. If you really want some significant income from rentals, look into acquiring some apartments. Best of luck with all future endeavors. Look forward to seeing your success on here. Keep kicking butt!

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Orange, CA · Member since 2012 · 68 posts · 63 votes
    12y

    @ I like your approach, flip the little higher end, keep the lower priced as rentals, great strategy. What lenders are you working with? are they local credit unions, local banks, private money? $100/month/unit is a good goal and is doable, just takes a lot of offers. As for conv. lenders I'm working with Union Bank, they have a 4.25% 7/1 arm for n/o/o loans, my payments are doing to be cut in 1/2 from what they are now....I really hope I get approved, I'm refinancing 3 SFRs as we speak.

    Private message me so we can talk more...

    thanks again

  • Real Estate Agent · Milwaukee County, WI · Member since 2009 · 3k+ posts · 525 votes
    12y

    @Peter Hanson congrats on taking action

    - buy-hold positive cashflow

    - rehabs on meaty deals

    just my two cents

  • Davenport, IA · Member since 2013 · 9 posts · 0 votes
    12y

    Very motivational, just sold me on getting my RE license.

  • Investor · Fox River Grove, IL · Member since 2011 · 28 posts · 10 votes
    12y

    Great success! My main take a ways are:

    1. Work hard, and

    2. Death, divorce, drugs, disease....the 4 D's that create real estate opportunities.

    Best Regards,

    Donko

  • Realtor · McLean, VA · Member since 2009 · 184 posts · 80 votes
    12y

    Way to go @Peter Hanson !

    Love the story about the 4Ds. Many investors would have run for the hills with their tails between their legs. Very impressive!

    Looking forward to hearing more of your success stories.

  • Residential Real Estate Agent · Broomfield, CO · Member since 2013 · 390 posts · 125 votes
    12y

    @Peter Hanson Could you go into a little more detail regarding exactly what you did to "network" - who did you talk to, what did you say, etc

    And what your strategy was for searching on the MLS and making offers?

    Thanks, and by the way, strong start to your career!

  • Real Estate Broker · Cypress, TX · Member since 2013 · 822 posts · 468 votes
    12y

    Wow Peter, this is really beyond impressive. You are an example to others of what goal setting and action combined can achieve.

    I guess the only thing that would make me very nervous is having HML's on buy and holds. What if you don't get approved? What if the market shifts suddenly and the value you are banking on doesn't happen. I guess I would only use HML's on flips, but that's just me. Hope it works out for you though.

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