Fixer Upper 1st time cash buy

Fixer Upper 1st time cash buy

Rental Property Investor · Memphis, TN · Member since 2020 · 27 posts · 5 votes

Hi I'm new to Bigger pockets but I've been reading a ton and listening non stop to the podcasts. I am kind of excited about a prospect on my street. It's been sitting vacant before I moved I to my house and for who knows how long. It is a huge home 6 bed 3 bath, but has fallen into disrepair. It's not for sale but I checked the assessor and the lady who owns it has 19 other properties and is 85 years old. My thought is she is probably an investor like me and just never had the time tp get to rehabbing it. Or maybe she just is sitting waiting for someone to buy it due to the fast appreciation in my neighborhood. Who knows. Point is it seems like a good deal. The last time the property was sold was for 15000 in 1984. So I'm guessing if I offered 60k she would still make 8% a year on appreciation considering she hasn't done anything.

I already have another house I inherited that I rent for 1450 a month which is valued at 175000. I owe my brother 50k for his ownership in the house. So I planned on taking a line of credit out anyway. I was thinking if I took out the rest of the 70% line of credit that would give me 72.5k and then the rest could be taken out of my stocks I own. I am not quite there but I think I could wrangle up another 75 k for rehab. . I may not need that much. But I am just estimating. I dont know my ARV. But in this neighborhood my house is listing on zillow for 210k and is in good shape with a similar size and pool but less bedrooms. So I figured a 200k to 220 ARV would be realistic.

I know this is very speculative. But does this sound like a good deal and am I making good decisions ? Obviously my plan would be to rent it out for a at least 1500k.

My goal at that point would be to turn it into a sober living and put bunk beds in 5 rooms with 1 room dedicated to a pr

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IA · Member since 2019 · 33 posts · 29 votes
6y

You could make multiple offers at the same time with different terms. Maybe one with conventional financing and then you could use your LOC for the rehab. One with seller financing at a good price/rate for her. And one as a cash buy but for less money. Just a thought but the first one would get you the money you still need for the rehab part of it.

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  • Andrew PostellPro Member
    Lender · Fort Worth, TX · Member since 2016 · 8k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    6y

    @Louis Hamric why wouldn't you use just a standard loan to purchase it?  I mean, lines of credit are fine but I don't like the idea of liquidating stocks.  Well, unless you just want to change your investment philosophy entire...which is also ok but you don't HAVE to do this if you just use a loan to purchase.  Just an idea but let us know if you have any questions on it. Thanks!

  • Rental Property Investor · Memphis, TN · Member since 2020 · 27 posts · 5 votes
    6y

    @Andrew Postell thanks for the reply. The reason I was thinking this way was because all I've read about buying cash. As of now this house isn't for sale. The lady who owns it has been holding it forever. So i was thinking she may not sell it unless I could make a cash offer with only an inspection clause so I could close quickly. I thought that might make her more open to it. The stock was going to get liquidated anyway soon anyway so I was thinking this might be a better investment.

  • Andrew PostellPro Member
    Lender · Fort Worth, TX · Member since 2016 · 8k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    6y

    @Louis Hamric ok, no problem here then. I was just more curious about what you were thinking so I could advise correctly. Taking a line of credit out on the other property is a good strategy to buy another property. My advise here with this strategy is make sure you can REFINANCE that property after you purchase it though. The reason here is that a Line of Credit will have an adjustable rate. And it will "mature" after 10 years....which usually makes the rate even HIGHER. LOCs are not designed for permanent lending solutions. Just get a good loan to refinance the house after you purchase it so you can pay that LOC back. Other than that, I think it's a good strategy. Thanks!

  • IA · Member since 2019 · 33 posts · 29 votes
    6y

    You could make multiple offers at the same time with different terms. Maybe one with conventional financing and then you could use your LOC for the rehab. One with seller financing at a good price/rate for her. And one as a cash buy but for less money. Just a thought but the first one would get you the money you still need for the rehab part of it.

  • Jaron WallingPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2018 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    6y

    A distressed 6 bed 3 bath sounds like a big project and big gamble. I would never sell stocks to fund this deal. Don't throw all your eggs into one basket. 

    If you have the owners contact info I would strike up a conversation about selling. Obviously she's not motivated, yet. You could be the person to change that if you play it cool and come to the table with CASH. 

    What are the sold comps telling you? If this property is twice the size of nearby houses or has a weird interior layout the ARV may not be what you expect.

  • Rental Property Investor · Memphis, TN · Member since 2020 · 27 posts · 5 votes
    6y

    @Jaron Walling it turns out she's finally getting around to rehabbing it. It's a Victorian style home but appropriate size for neighborhood. Not sure about interior rooms. But based on size of house not sure that's unreasonable to get 6. I wouldn't be interested unless I thought I could get a good deal. But alas I think she's not gonna sell.

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