First Flip Fail (featuring chickens)

First Flip Fail (featuring chickens)

Investor · Washington, DC · Member since 2018 · 33 posts · 67 votes

Lead Source: Wholesale

Strategy: Flip

Purchase Price: $103,000.00

Rehab Budget: $55,529.00

Resale price: $148,000.00

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854 Lockbourne was our first flip and a case study for what NOT to do when investing in real estate. 

Where do I start even start with what went wrong...

We bought with cash instead of financing in order to make our offer more competitive. We also bought from a wholesaling group and paid a wholesale fee of twenty thousand dollars. When we analyzed the deal, we came up with an unrealistic after repair value due to incorrect features information. When we did our inspection, we did not make sure utilities were on before our guys went though.

After buying a deal that we should never have bought, we then compounded on that error by allowing a contractor to do most of the scoping for us. He was selling us on a “fixed” budget, i.e. a budget where the price was guaranteed at the onset and not broken out into line items in any serious way. As hard as it is to believe now, this sounded great to us back then in a market with tight margins. 

Once the project started, we discovered that gas lines throughout the house were leaking (this is why you make sure utilities on!). This meant weeks of costly repairs before we could even start the renovation. After that, change orders and random delays began to mount. Despite the assurance from the GC on this project that things were going according to plan, we passed deadline after deadline on the way to finishing at least seven months behind schedule.

Then came the showings. I will spare you details like falling out of contract due to windows being inexplicably nailed shut, but for comedic relief I will highlight the pain culminating in complaints that there were random, free-roaming chickens pecking around our yard and putting off potential buyers due to a negligent neighbor.

We ended up needing to take it up with the city to reign these fowls in, an action that caused the spiteful neighbor to tank a number of our other showings.

The end result of all this was losing at least $30k (and probably more when it was all said and done), locking up the capital for ten months, and dealing with a two month long, stressful process of trying to sell and falling out of contract three times for various, silly reasons. Investing at a distance is difficult, and a misstep like this was probably inevitable. Still, it’s hard not to look back on this one and laugh at our performance.

One is that our loss here was pretty minimal considering the extent of the error. Part of the reason we chose Ohio is that low purchase prices make failures like this painful, but not ruining.

Another positive is that the money spent to learn our lesson here was our own and not our investors’, which again was premeditated. We knew we would be bad at first and so resolved not to take on money until we had reliable systems. Having made every mistake in the book with our first few projects, we are now confident our system won't produce this kind of product again.

We now source our own deals, build our own project scopes, and have thorough, automated due diligence benchmarks at all steps of the process to minimize risk and facilitate execution. Given all that, mistakes like these have ended up being more valuable then the projects that are completed without a hitch. 

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Flipper/Rehabber · Rochester, NY · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
4y

@Jorden House-Hay Super kudos to you posting this and also for not getting totally discouraged. It’s good for newbies to see it’s not all roses. I went through a similar catastrophe flip early on and taking it in the chin and keeping going is something I’m proud of. 

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  • Flipper/Rehabber · Rochester, NY · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    4y

    @Jorden House-Hay Super kudos to you posting this and also for not getting totally discouraged. It’s good for newbies to see it’s not all roses. I went through a similar catastrophe flip early on and taking it in the chin and keeping going is something I’m proud of. 

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    4y

    good thing you did not borrow money from a lender you would have compounded the loss's although the lender might have discouraged you from buying it.. some lenders wont allow those large wholesale fees..  wholesalers you have to be super careful buying from them end of the day especially if your one off they could give a rip on your financial outcome

  • Austin McClainBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · OH · Member since 2021 · 348 posts · 602 votes
    4y

    Good learning experience. Like you said it was a big loss but not a total personal financial disaster. Hoping the next one goes better!

  • Investor · Washington, DC · Member since 2018 · 33 posts · 67 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Larry Turowski:

    @Jorden House-Hay Super kudos to you posting this and also for not getting totally discouraged. It’s good for newbies to see it’s not all roses. I went through a similar catastrophe flip early on and taking it in the chin and keeping going is something I’m proud of. 


     Agreed. Success right out the gates is always unlikely. Glad to hear you've pushed through! 

  • Investor · Washington, DC · Member since 2018 · 33 posts · 67 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Austin McClain:

    Good learning experience. Like you said it was a big loss but not a total personal financial disaster. Hoping the next one goes better!


     For sure. Our flips are now going quite well, happily

  • Investor · Tampa, FL · Member since 2011 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    4y

    We all learn a lot more from doing these types of deals than the ones that go smooth from start to finish. 

    We learned about the FEMA 50% rule by having to tear a house down and rebuild AFTER pouring 50k into the rehab...

  • Real Estate Broker · Columbus, OH · Member since 2021 · 203 posts · 247 votes
    4y

    You are a good dude for posting this. 

    It is hard to share when we mess up or "fail" at something. Way to not view it as a fail but as a great learning experience and not give up on REI. SO many would pack their real estate investing bags after this to never return but not you. Keep swinging!

  • Rental Property Investor · Chicago and mainly invests in KS remotely · Member since 2018 · 360 posts · 314 votes
    4y

    You did it. You broke the ice. It sounds like you learned a lot from this and now you are going to be a real real estate investor. Good luck!

    fyi I don't know about Columbus Ohio but in KS I avoid houses where the utilities have been turned off for more than 6 months, they need a full blown city inspection to have utilities turned back on, and that typically triggers new electrical work which could cost up to 10K.

  • Investor · Costa Mesa, CA · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    4y

    Not many investors are brave enough to post fails but they are often more helpful to other investors than success stories. Thanks for posting.

  • Investor · Fort Washington, MD · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    4y

    I can tell you will go a very long way in this business. You dove in, took those lumps and learned all kinds of valuable lessons. Also, you were willing to put it out and let others assess. All those are character traits and approaches that build success. Nearly all investors have lost on a venture. I have never lost on a flip but the one Iḿ working now may go under water. It happens. Either way, come back harder and most likely the next one will make up for that loss and more. Great Job!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Investor · Rathdrum, ID · Member since 2021 · 47 posts · 42 votes
    4y

    I've heard people learn the most from their "whoopsie" properties.  It sounds like you have new systems and knowledge in place, and it will set you up for future success!

  • Investor · Saint Louis, MO · Member since 2016 · 970 posts · 1k+ votes
    4y

    Thanks for sharing. Definitely a hard loss but many lessons learned. Hope it doesnt deter you from investing in the future!

  • Rental Property Investor · Springfield, IL · Member since 2020 · 36 posts · 35 votes
    4y

    @Nick C.

    Ouch! What's the FEMA 50% rule?

  • Investor · Tampa, FL · Member since 2011 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    4y

    Basically if a property is in a flood zone, the repairs can't exceed 50% of the value of the property. So if the house is worth $100k (As Is, not the ARV), you can't pull permits for more than $50k of repairs. It's a FEMA rule, but it's up to local municipalities to enforce it.

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Pickerington, OH · Member since 2012 · 230 posts · 139 votes
    4y

    You always learn a lot more from your mistakes.  One of the ones I learned from early on is to make sure you look at the neighboring homes.  You can always polish a turd, but you can't polish your neighbors turd.

    Pics look great!  Nice rehab!

  • OH · Member since 2022 · 5 posts · 1 vote
    4y

    What is the best way to fund a flip for someone with good credit as a rookie!?

  • Investor · Washington, DC · Member since 2018 · 33 posts · 67 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Joe Miller:

    You are a good dude for posting this. 

    It is hard to share when we mess up or "fail" at something. Way to not view it as a fail but as a great learning experience and not give up on REI. SO many would pack their real estate investing bags after this to never return but not you. Keep swinging!

    Thanks Joe. Couldn't agree more. All the wins that are coming now wouldn't be possible without the lessons we learned from these kinds of projects
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