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Rehabbing & House Flipping

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Carl M.
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Stock cabinets from Lowe's? Good or bad?

Carl M.
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  • Wilkes Barre, PA
Posted Mar 24 2017, 15:16
Does anyone have experience using the in stock cabinets from Lowe's? The brand name is Diamond. I have and allowance from my contractor but he is insisting that I get these cabinets from Lowe's. Our initial intent was to flip the property but now we are looking to rent it. It will be more of a high-end rental for the area. We are definitely using granite countertops as well. Any input or advice would be appreciated.

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Rolanda Eldridge
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Rolanda Eldridge
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Replied Mar 25 2017, 06:34

@Carl M...Probably OK...If cabinets needed, I buy from a local building(salvage)supply. The quality is better, but you need to paint or stain.  I bought before from HD, but it was particle board..GL

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Justin Tahilramani
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Justin Tahilramani
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Replied Mar 25 2017, 07:16

@Carl M. - If you are going to go with granite counters - I would recommend that you purchase decent mid-level cabinets. Don't rule out ready to assemble cabinets as they are often use plywood instead of particle board. If you buy cheap cabinets and have granite - what are you going to do when the cabinets fall apart? You cant simply remove granite, change cabinets, and re-use the old granite counters - doesn't work that way.

Also, you say that you have an allowance, so why is your contractor insisting that you use Lowes cabinets? Its your allowance - you should have more options than just one type of cabinet from Lowes. No need for an allowance in the scenario - he could have pre-priced those exact cabinets. Doesn't make sense to me.

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Kyle Doney
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Kyle Doney
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  • Golden, CO
Replied Mar 25 2017, 07:24

I've ordered Diamond cabinets and they weren't stock, they were custom order mid level stuff with nice wood and stain options and soft close. When I think of stock, I think of right off the shelf. I think you're getting a good product with Diamond. Keep in mind a lot of these companies have the same manufacturers and just have different names.

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Brian Pulaski
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Brian Pulaski
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Replied Mar 25 2017, 08:06

How big is the kitchen and what is the allowance?  If he carried $7500 and you find ones you like that cost $4500 do you get the difference back? Has he given you any other options?

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Nik S.
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Nik S.
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Replied Mar 25 2017, 11:51

Carl M. If they are the lowes in stock cabinets (Arcadia), you have nothing to worry about. I've installed granite in them as well. You get what you pay for but for a rental great! I even used them in a flip but wouldn't use for a higher end flip. I have pics if needed!

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Patrick Liska
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Patrick Liska
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Replied Mar 25 2017, 12:02

I worked for a renovation company that bought diamond cabinets directly from the manufacturer, they were always good quality cabinets. just like anything else when you buy from the big box store, there is always the line that is made exclusive to them. I have not bought diamond cabinets from Lowes but i would believe there products would be the same sold there, but i would check and definitely get plywood boxes, which i believe has always been standard for Diamond cabinets. i do not believe they sell particle board products, as a Contractor, i would recommend that brand. 

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Ritch Bonisa
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Ritch Bonisa
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Replied Mar 27 2017, 11:50

If you are going with granite - up the grade of the cabinets.  I manage rehabs for remote investors and I see a lot of contractors.  The contractor probably wants to force the material situation to mark it up a little.  This is normal - it's how they make money.  If the cabinets are chosen by the investor, and everyone knows what the cost is, then it's more likely they won't make money on the cabinets as a single line item.  Shouldn't be a big deal.  It only becomes a bigger deal to the contractor when the investor wants to buy all the materials and the contractor gets 0 or little markup.  This puts a contractor in a difficult situation especially if the rehab is smaller and there is not a lot of work that needs to be done (there are fewer places within those estimates to make money).  Contractors generally mark up materials a little and then have labor costs as well. If you are getting labor only estimates, then it would be common to expect to pay a little more in labor costs.  Not that one is right or wrong - it's just the way they try to make money.  

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JD Martin
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ModeratorReplied Mar 27 2017, 12:10

I have used the Arcadia and they are basement bottom cabinets. I am not going to say they're unsuitable for any use, because in our very low-end rentals they serve a purpose where you can't justify cabinets at 3X the cost or more, but no way would I use those for a high-end.

Now, the Diamond cabinets are not really "in stock" as far as I know. In-stock, to me, is a cabinet that you can toss in the back of the pickup.