Need Help Understanding How to Use Equity Wisely

Need Help Understanding How to Use Equity Wisely

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This is an appeal for advice. My title refers to using equity, but I could just as easily have called this post "somebody please tell me what to do now!" I've had some success but I'm more an amateur than I seem. I plodded my way through the process and found myself the beneficiary of a rising tide that lifted all boats. So I doubled down and did it two more times. Simple. But now that tide has stalled. But as a starting point I'm reaching out to the broader community of biggerpockets because I have seen there are some very sophisticated professionals who grace these forums, and they don't mind sharing insights from time to time. Please anoint me with your wisdom.

My problem is straightforward. I'm a small landlord with a decent amount of equity at my disposal, looking for the next move to make. Part of the struggle is simply not understanding how equity works, and part of it is not being sure what's the smartest way to use the equity at my disposal.

Background: I own 3 condos at separate addresses in Brooklyn and Manhattan. It's been a long slog with many ups and downs. I have worked hard at a physical job for decades, lived frugally, and finally made it happen. Two of my condos are owned outright, and the third (the one with a mortgage) is where I live with my family. Until now, my philosophy as a small landlord in NYC has been to just buy the nicest low-maintenance condo possible, paying the required 20% downpayment from personal savings and getting a 30-year fixed mortgage (it's not the most original strategy, but it got me this far). I renovate using a small stable of handymen, cabinet makers and specialists I have assembled through personal relationships, then I find outstanding tenants whose monthly payments will put me at break-even or better. Rather than require monthly income from the property, I trust in appreciation to make it worth all the effort. I give tenants a fair deal and great service as a landlord, and never raise rents unless my expenses go up or the rents become plainly out of whack with reality (when you only have 2 rental apartments, the extra 100 per month you might make by squeezing a good tenant isn't worth running the risk of driving him out). My philosophy has worked well up to now. My condos have doubled in appraised value, and in addition they now net a combined 41K per year which is, for me, precious supplemental income.

Doing real estate as a small landlord in a supercharged city like New York has pros and cons. One upside is that you can always find a tenant with a six figure salary and a credit score above 750 (I'm not kidding). Another pro is that when you succeed in paying off your first rental it becomes a miniature cash cow because rents are so high. The biggest con of course is the very high price of entry. I couldn't have gotten my start here but for the fact that I jumped in right before the real estate bubble of the aughts took off, when banks were still offering no-doc loans and prices were just about to jump through the roof but still had not.

Today I have 1.25 million in equity in the the two condos I own outright, and another 500k equity in the mortgaged condo where I live. It sounds like I should be able to make my next move with ease, but I find myself looking at a completely different landscape. I no longer see the same potential for appreciation in areas that I know well enough to feel confident buying, and the bar to entry is even higher than it was before.

So here's the FIRST THING I need help understanding: I'd like to now expand without having to raise cash for a downpayment. If I borrow against my equity for a downpayment on a new investment property, how do I then fund the rest of the purchase price? Is this even possible through a conventional bank? My mortgage guy says I could pull up to 60% (or 750K) from the equity I control, but going 750K in debt (at a commercial interest rate between 6 & 7%) would stress me out mightily, and 750K won't even get me to 1/2 the purchase price of of a two-family rental property here. Is it possible to find a lender who will let me use the promise of income from future rents to qualify for the second loan I will need in order to complete the purchase of a small multi-family investment? If so, what do you call that, and where do you look for it?

Or would I be better off taking a deep breath, slowing down, and using the money I know I can readily get my hands on to just complete the full purchase of a less expensive single family condo to add to my portfolio, expecting it to do little more than be one more thing in my portfolio, paying for itself slowly (though not giving me the same kind of appreciation I enjoyed in the past)? That would at least be SOMETHING, and so it might be better than leaving 1.25 million of equity just sitting on the table untapped, but it feels kind of disappointing because it ties up a huge chunk of equity and fails to fulfill either of my two main goals: generating monthly income, and serving as a significant vehicle for further expansion in the near term.

Several apparent ideas I'm actually NOT interested in trying are: investing out of state, partnering with other investors, and expanding into parts of NYC that can still be called "bargain" areas (in the later phases of a multi-year superbubble like ours, such places tend to be mind-blowingly distressed and they are simply beyond my comfort zone). One idea that DOES appeal to me is going up the beautiful Hudson River Valley (not much farther than 100 miles away) and investing in a part-time rental that I could buy completely using only about a third of my available equity, with the goal of renting it to vacationers and occasionally using it with my own family. The idea would be to have rents cover the carrying costs plus generate some kind of monthly profit. If I could pull that off I'd have a formula for something to do next with the other 2/3 of my equity. But I've got no idea how banks look at part-time rentals when they consider a loan request. And I know short-term rentals are a whole universe of their own within real estate. There would be a new learning curve. I may decide it's not worth the effort, but I feel like it is something I could figure out. I'm just trying to think of strategies that could realistically be accomplished with the resources at my disposal.

So thanks for sticking with me this far. Now, with much due respect, I ask of all you seasoned pros and property geniuses out there: if you were me, a smalltime landlord with two successful NYC rentals under your belt, and now you had your first respectable chunk of equity to put to work, and you wanted portfolio growth paired with incremental income growth, and your tolerance for risk was somewhere in the middle of the spectrum (not on the aggressive fringe), and you found yourself feeling shut out of the overpriced market where you live, what would you do next?

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  • Scott WolfPro Member
    Lender · Boca Raton, FL · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 959 votes
    7y

    @James Sidney, it all depends on what your looking to buy. For a condo, if you pull equity out of yours, and want to buy it as an LLC, you will have a tough time finding lenders to close the gap on the debt portion. (Not impossible, just tough). That being said, with over $600,000 (conservatively) in equity you can pull out, you should be able to find something that you can buy all cash with pulling out equity from your current condos, but you need to make sure your numbers work.

    As for looking at the Hudson Valley, with the amount of equity you have, you'd be able to find something easily to buy all cash.  If you go the lender route, they'd most likely  be looking to you to personally guarantee the loan.  

    Another option would be pulling out equity, or selling one condo(1031), and buying a NNN property that gives off cash-flow with no owner responsibility.

    Hope this helps, and feel free to reach out if you have any questions!

  • Real Estate Broker · Greer, SC · Member since 2013 · 548 posts · 271 votes
    7y

    @James Sidney what is you return on your equity? It sounds like you have a ton of stagnant equity. The equity you have in a property is like having cash in a bank you can't get to. The cash flow is different. Cash flow is a benefit you can use. My bet is the amount of cash flow you are getting compared to your equity is very low. Could you take that equity and trade it for a property that would provide more cash flow? I think you can. If you refi, it only accecces a portion of your equity. However, you can take all the equity forward into a property that increases the benefits you are looking for. Use the equity just like you would cash and start making offers with it. Wanna buy my cash flow I have in my 68 unit multifamily? If you do, make me an offer with your condos. Sounds crazy huh? But it can be done. Wanna learn more? Attend an equity marketing meeting.

  • Rental Property Investor · Chappaqua, NY · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 947 votes
    7y

    @James Sidney sounds like you know not to sell what you have for cash flow. Probably 99% of the folks on BP would say sell and go for cash flow.

    There are ways to get financing on the condos I’m sure. But what’s the rush. It took you many years to get 3 now if you go up the river and use your cash flow to gather a down payment every few years you could buy a property in the HV.

    might like the trade offs. The taxes upstate are super high. Depending on the town The tenants will most likely not be what your used to.

    Vacation rentals in NYS have always seemed a bit risky to me.

  • Rental Property Investor · San Francisco, CA · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    7y

    Let me help you. 

    1- you’ve done well buying in NYC in up and coming neighborhoods. I’d continue on this path, as you know it well. 

    2- yes the bank will use the income of the new rentals (or a portion of them) in calculating your new loan. So use heloc/2nd for down payment and renovations, and get a bank loan for the bldg. 

    3- you’re spot on with the directions you DONT want to go in. 

    4- I’d look at 2-4 units next, value play, re-tenant plus renovations. If you add value, it will cash flow better once your done. 

    5- market is pretty high now, but coming down in NYC. I’d follow it closely, and if/when a good deal compares you’re way, be prepared to act (that means getting heloc/2nd loan completed ahead of time.)

    6- if you want to comfortably live off your RE, you’ll need more properties, so leverage used wisely is the best path that you have. 

    7- you may not be cash flowing a lot  now, but rents are growing fast in nyc (relative to fly over states), so be patient and give it time. You can speed that process up by buying properties with value add potential. 

    These are the steps I have taken in San Francisco, which is a similar market to NYC. Many people on BP can’t relate as they’re  investing in much less expensive (and limited growth potential) markets.  

    my2c

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