I'm surprised almost no one talks about the LAYOUT of the house!

I'm surprised almost no one talks about the LAYOUT of the house!

Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2015 · 70 posts · 14 votes
Doesn't all your monthly income hinge on this?  The average size of bedroom in my middle class area is 100 - 150 sq ft.  The average median priced home here is about $300,000 and about 2000 sq ft, often not including the basement.  Do the math.  That could be an awful lot of revenue!  Most dummies with houses rent to one family and get about $1500 - $2000/month but if they rented to individuals here they'd get about $600/month for say 125 sq ft.  Just one floor could have about 8 people!  That's $4800 a month.  Then there are the other 2 floors if you use the basement.  The problem is the layout. 

Young families want to keep an eye on their young children to keep them safe so they want more of an open concept type layout.  Perfectly understandable but not good for renting to individuals.  We want the absolute opposite!  And that's the problem.
   
Things like closets, expansive stairwells, unnecessary hallways, consume a LOT of space.  By having all your rooms fan out from a center kitchen and bathroom on a shared accommodation floor you minimize hallways.  Instead of closets everything should be on wall mounted shelving that is height adjustable.  This way you can put a short shelf under a deep shelf.  Anything you want is possible if its wall mounted.  Think wall standards like we've seen in grocery stores....that type of design.  Paint it black to make it look more stylish if you want. 

The more I think about this the more I wonder why so many people overlook this?

The focus should be getting a run down property cheap, then use that discount to change the layout to best maximize revenue because almost no house really works very well for this.  And soundproofing it up the ying yang!  Young families want to hear little Johnny if he falls down.  We don't want to hear our renters and they certainly don't want to hear each other.  Sound proofing is a must.  

All of this applies to short term rentals as well of course.  Even more so as they tend to be louder.  They're more likely to want a self contained area with a mini kitchen.  
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Jeff CopelandBusiness Member
Real Estate Broker · Tampa Bay/St Petersburg, FL · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
4y

Of course floor plan is important. It isn't talked about a lot because it goes without saying. 

But different business models work for different people in different situations with different needs and goals. 

Calling people "dummies" because they chose to implement a long-term rental strategy is narrow minded. 

Co-living is a sound business model that is taking off in many markets across the country where it makes sense. But it is limited by obvious things like zoning and parking restrictions, as well as not-so-obvious things like management intensity. 

There's no getting around the fact that having 4, 5, or 8 tenants living in a single family home with shared common space is going to take a lot of work for the landlord and/or property manager. 

By contrast, I have LTR single family homes where the same tenants have been in place for 6 years. It's a much more passive model. 

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  • Jeff CopelandBusiness Member
    Real Estate Broker · Tampa Bay/St Petersburg, FL · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    4y

    Of course floor plan is important. It isn't talked about a lot because it goes without saying. 

    But different business models work for different people in different situations with different needs and goals. 

    Calling people "dummies" because they chose to implement a long-term rental strategy is narrow minded. 

    Co-living is a sound business model that is taking off in many markets across the country where it makes sense. But it is limited by obvious things like zoning and parking restrictions, as well as not-so-obvious things like management intensity. 

    There's no getting around the fact that having 4, 5, or 8 tenants living in a single family home with shared common space is going to take a lot of work for the landlord and/or property manager. 

    By contrast, I have LTR single family homes where the same tenants have been in place for 6 years. It's a much more passive model. 

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  • Investor · Clairemont, CA · Member since 2011 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    4y

     Understand that in most cities in the country "rooming houses"  like you describe are not allowed in zoning code.  It's pretty common that anymore than 3 unrelated residents in a single family violates those codes. So while you are making a case that we should all be doing this, most people are implementing strategies that work within the code guidelines. And those that are doing this doing this frequently have to deal with code violation issues.

  • Investor · Austin, TX · Member since 2021 · 9k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    4y

    Layout is important, I try to tear down as many walls that close off space and make the home as open as possible. Every single time. I also try to move the kitchen to be in plain sight when you stand at the front door 

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