How STUPID Can They Be?

How STUPID Can They Be?

Real Estate Investor · OH · Member since 2008 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes

We all know that the credit card companies are IDIOTS! In fact, I'd go so far as to say that they're managed by complete morons. I've posted before how I received notices from Capital One and Chase that they were raising my interest rates to some RIDICULOUS rate (like 22+%), even though I'm certainly one of their best customers (never missed a payment, credit score of 782, etc).

I acquired almost all my credit card debt as I was rapidly growing my rental property business. I used the credit cards for rehabs and even to buy a couple of properties. So, as of a couple months ago, I had five credit cards, all with significant balances. They had interest rates from 12.99% to 16.99%, which was already relatively high considering my credit score and payment history. When I, along with millions of other card holders, received their notice that my interest rate was going to more than 22% on four of these cards (2 Capital One and 2 Chase cards), I called the credit card companies to request a lower rate. They said that there was nothing they could do about the rates.

Therefore, I simply paid all four credit cards off with cash, leaving one National City Card with a balance on it and a 16.99% interest rate. I resolved to pay it off also over the next few months.

Then, a few days ago, I got a letter from Capital One with convenience checks with ZERO PERCENT INTEREST. A couple of days ago, I got a letter from Chase with convenience checks, also with ZERO PERCENT INTEREST! WHAT A BUNCH OF MORONS! If they had lowered my interest rate to something reasonable, I probably wouldn't have paid off those cards. Now that I have paid them off, they are willing to give me ZERO PERCENT INTEREST for the next year.

So, I did the only reasonable thing. I used one of the convenience checks with ZERO PERCENT INTEREST and paid off my one remaining credit card with 16% interest. I'll pay that card off over the next few months without paying any interest and then I'll be credit card debt free. It is absolutely no wonder that these banks and credit card companies are in such bad shape. They won't give their best customers a reasonable rate, but they will give them a ZERO PERCENT RATE!!! IDIOTS!

Mike

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  • Real Estate Investor · QLD · Member since 2008 · 67 posts · 5 votes
    17y

    Sounds like the idiocy is working in your favour, Mike! :cool: I wouldn't be hoping for them to get smarter anytime soon, if I were you.

  • Altus, OK · Member since 2008 · 2k+ posts · 690 votes
    17y

    What's in your wallet :mrgreen:

  • Real Estate Investor · Tampa Bay, FL · Member since 2009 · 180 posts · 17 votes
    17y

    You are not the normal customer Mike, that is why.

    Most people are still stuck holding a balance at 22% with no way out except default or bankruptcy.

    Its true there is no rhyme or reason. And it's also true that if just one of them took care of their better customers, they would increase market share no problem.

  • Real Estate Investor · Elgin, IL · Member since 2009 · 135 posts · 9 votes
    17y

    Mike -

    This is one of the best posts I have seen!!!

    Reason: You jobbed the system!

    I feel bad for people who could not pay off there balance and now pay 22%.

    The banks are only going to force more bankruptcies and more foreclosures by doing this...

    Way to go Mike.

    *Full disclosure = I own shares of Visa and Mastercard.

  • Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2008 · 557 posts · 70 votes
    17y

    Great post -
    I no longer pay finance charges to CCD companies. I pay full balance at the end of each month, earn points, then travel for free. I take great joy in working these companies in any way I can. It helps my credit score nicely, too.

  • Select a State · Member since 2009 · 156 posts · 17 votes
    17y

    I was a little suprised to learn you kept credit card balances. Even 16.99% is pretty expensive money. These companies probably did you a favor by raising your % to make you pay off your cards.

    My plan is to avoid using Credit Cards in my real estate business. But perhaps I should re-evaluate.

    I don't use Credit Cards anymore for personal finances. I just use debit cards. Matty has a good point though, to use the cards to boost credit and for points.

    I think Obama wants to regulate the credit card industry to prevent this sort of thing. Probably unecessary market interference just for a little PR. This country should spend more time counseling people about money and the terrible effect credit card balances have on personal finances. I cannot believe how financially irresponsible otherwise "professional" people can be when it comes to debt, credit cards, and over consumption.

  • Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2008 · 557 posts · 70 votes
    17y
    Originally posted by Kirk B:
    Matty has a good point though, to use the cards to boost credit and for points.


    Thanks. I got the points idea from the book Four Hour Work Week by Tim Ferris back in 2007. It took about six months for the habit of paying all my balance at the end of each month - no matter what - to kick in.

    First I eliminated all my CCD debt, and decided to never use them. But then I read about that idea in the book, tried it, and once the pay full balance habit formed it worked out well. It's not something Dave Ramsey would recommend. I like his book, too. But so far I've been doing well Tim Ferris style. Keeping 4 active like that boosts the credit score, too.

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    BiggerPockets Founder · HI · Member since 2008 · 16k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    17y

    Matty -
    The day I eliminated my CC debt was one of my happiest!

  • Battle Creek, MI · Member since 2008 · 87 posts · 11 votes
    17y

    I guess they do that because the odds are most people will end up paying interest on that balance after the years up.

    Its great to be able to pay off the cc's. I wish I was there!

    If you can't though there is still no need to pay 15%+.

    I have a couple cards with 7% rates and one with a 3% for life balance transfer offer on it. Just need to shop around a little.

    Look for smaller or oddball lenders, and credit unions can be great to work with also.

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