I'm Sorry!

I'm Sorry!

Real Estate Investor · OH · Member since 2008 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes

I would like to apologize to the nation and to everyone here at BiggerPockets. Unfortunately, I must confess that I am personally responsible for the demise of Bank of America and American Express and quite possibly this entire banking crisis. Well, to be more accurate I and millions of others like me. Let me explain.

For many years, I had an American Express credit card that I used for my business. It was one of those business cards that must be paid off every month. I put business purchases on the card every month (for years) and dutifully paid it off every month, never late on a single payment. As a matter of fact, I have never missed ANY PAYMENT on any account in my entire life and my credit score (currently 772) and credit report reflects that.

About 4 years ago, my wife became gravely ill and had major surgery. She was in the hospital for a long time and the medical bills were hundreds of thousands of dollars. We had insurance, but of course had thousands of dollars of copay to pay.

Anyone that has dealt with the insurance companies knows how incompetent they are. They screw up early and often when it comes to billing. Needless to say, many of the bills were inaccurate and needed to be reviewed by the insurance company. Three of the bills they were reviewing were never billed to us and the morons at the insurance company sent them directly to a collection agency. Of course, when we became aware of the bills we paid them. These three bills totalled a whopping $300, which was a small pittance compared to the thousands of dollars we paid in copay. It was an OBVIOUS error on the part of the insurance company and clearly just an insurance company mistake.

One day (approximately 3 or 4 years ago), I got a letter from American Express saying that because of the collections (which were an obvious error), they were lowering my credit line from $15,000 to $300! Needless to say, I called them and explained the situation. It didn't matter. They said that there was nothing they could do and left my credit line at $300. I promptly cancelled my American Express card!

The bottom line is that they pissed off one of their best customers and lost an account.

Fast forward to today. This afternoon, I picked up the mail and discovered two letters from Bank of America. The letters explained that my checking privileges for both of my lines of credit had been suspended because I had other open credit accounts. NO KIDDING! I've got millions of dollars of rentals and loans in the seven figures! My credit is spotless. My credit score today is 772. There are absolutely no late pays; no collections; no derogatory public records; and no other adverse items on my credit. I am aggressively paying down my debt and making extra principal payments on many of my loans.

You can guess what is going to happen. I will pay these morons off and close my accounts with Bank of America.

Is it any wonder that Bank of America and American Express are in such financial trouble. They made millions of bad loans and lost a bunch of money. Then, their solution to their woes is to cut the credit of their best customers - customers with spotless credit and a perfect payment history!!!!

So, I apologize for destroying the economy by cancelling my accounts with Amex and Bank of America. I admit it - I killed the economy!

Mike

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  • Altus, OK · Member since 2008 · 2k+ posts · 690 votes
    17y

    Didn't you already apologize for this not to long ago :mrgreen:

  • Real Estate Investor · OH · Member since 2008 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    17y

    I couldn't have apologized for Bank of America's failure previously, I just caused that today. I think I did write in my blog some time ago about the Fed Ex stupidity.

    At any rate, I'm stricken with remorse over the crisis that I (and many others like me) have caused. Thus, the apology. LOL!

    Mike

  • Real Estate Investor · North Carolina · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 483 votes
    17y

    Please tell me the next company you are going to ruin so I can short it!

  • Real Estate Investor · Member since 2008 · 340 posts · 34 votes
    17y
    Originally posted by Nc Mark:
    Please tell me the next company you are going to ruin so I can short it!

    You can short just about anything these days and it will stick to the wall.

  • Financial Advisor · Tampa Area, FL · Member since 2008 · 956 posts · 214 votes
    17y
    Originally posted by MikeOH:
    I couldn't have apologized for Bank of America's failure previously, I just caused that today. I think I did write in my blog some time ago about the Fed Ex stupidity.

    At any rate, I'm stricken with remorse over the crisis that I (and many others like me) have caused. Thus, the apology. LOL!

    the shipping company now too?!?!?!? :D
  • Real Estate Investor · OH · Member since 2008 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    17y

    I've been thinking about those letters that I got from Bank of America. At first, I thought that they were just incredibly stupid to piss off one of their best customers. But then it occurred to me that they had essentially prevented me from borrowing any more money because they probably don't have the money to lend. Their stock price is down to about $4 per share and their market capitalization has plunged. I'm guessing that they can't lend it because they don't have it!

    That also corresponds to what I perceived to be happening in the stock market on Friday. My impression was that the market was at significant risk of dropping to new dot-com crash lows on the probability that the government was going to nationalize the banks, certainly including Bank of America. Then, at the last moment, the President's press secretary announced that President Obama believed that the private sector should operate the banks - which bought the market a little more time.

    Mike

  • Altus, OK · Member since 2008 · 2k+ posts · 690 votes
    17y

    I say we as individuals start our own bank.

    Call it The National This is Our Money So Don't F*ck With It Bank Of The Untied States Of America.

  • Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2008 · 759 posts · 185 votes
    17y

    - BAC stock price: $3.79

    - Mike Credit Score: 772

    What don't you understand about the new economy?

    Mike, it is apparent that you are a bad American that just doesn't understand "Change"! :lol:

  • Real Estate Consultant · Santa Maria, CA · Member since 2008 · 124 posts · 4 votes
    17y

    Mike I can't speak of American Express but I had a runin with BofA about 50 years ago and still bad mouth them every chance I get. It's amazing these institutions do things like they've done to you and still try to tell everyone how great their customer service is.
    donrock

  • Real Estate Investor · Baroda, MI · Member since 2008 · 204 posts · 2 votes
    17y

    Mike let me tell you that with BoFA there is more here than meets the eye. They cut my 50k line of credit RIGHT AFTER i PAID it OFF!! That was back in the fall. I havent had any problems with AMEX but I don't have a huge line with them either. I was told that my line of business was "high risk" .

    BoFA ALSO recently put a small business out of business here when they called their loan on a furniture store that wasnt due until next year and the year after. The owner says that they are just pulling out of Michigan all together, they say he defaulted....This was all in my local paper. Your in OH, I am in MI. I think they are grouping certain areas as too high risk and shutting down the valves.

    My credit score was 801...now that my CL is shut off im sure i have lost some points.

    I think it is more of an ego blow than anything else but i will tell you that NOT having that IS preventing me from finishing projects and GROWING which isnt good for the economy because I cannot pay more taxes and create more jobs. I completely understand where you are coming from.

    First they blindly lent, now they are blindly cutting and un-lending (if that is even a word). Now I have to TRY to find private money to complete projects which is very expensive.

    Life in the Obacracy = OWNED. by the banks and the government.

  • Real Estate Investor · Member since 2008 · 340 posts · 34 votes
    17y

    Geez, now AMEX is actually paying you to pay down your balance and close your account. American Express must be desperate to get all of that credit off their books.

    I ought to know, they slashed my line from $30,000 to $1,200 last fall. What a fricken joke. Although, it was good to see that they still have enough money to pay for commercials during the Oscars.

    See the story here:
    http://www.creditmattersblog.com/2009/02/american-express-wants-to-help-you.html.

  • Real Estate Consultant · Member since 2008 · 792 posts · 30 votes
    17y

    I've been thinking about those letters that I got from Bank of America. At first, I thought that they were just incredibly stupid to piss off one of their best customers. But then it occurred to me that they had essentially prevented me from borrowing any more money because they probably don't have the money to lend.

    This is the ONLY first hand account that I have heard of tightening credit that seems unwarranted.

    I have heard from so many other sources that "credit is tight". However, after asking a couple of questions, it always becomes obvious that credit isn't really tight, the borrower just wasn't really qualified.

    This story, on the other hand, is ridiculous. It's also scary as hell. Either they are completely incompetent or they know something that they won't admit. Either way, it's scary.

    Mike, thanks for sharing.

  • Real Estate Investor · OH · Member since 2008 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    17y

    David,

    The other odd thing about the letters I received is that they didn't cut the limit on my credit line, they just suspended the check writing privileges. It would be logical that they would cut the limits on the credit lines, but they didn't. However, by suspending the check writing privileges, they have effectively prevented me from using the lines of credit.

    Mike

  • Tucson, AZ · Member since 2008 · 945 posts · 45 votes
    17y

    My accounts are also with BOA. A week ago, when I had 3 repair people here,
    One of the men was from the furnace co, the other two from Cox Cable, installing the service. I had planned to pay the furnace man with a check, and the book was on the kitchen table, in my full view most of the time, but he didn't have a ticket, so they would bill me. I thought I picked up the checkbook and put it away, but I haven't been able to find it since.
    I called BOA to find out how to protect myself. The clerk suggested freezing the account, as I did not want to close it. Yesterday I called to change my password. I also asked what the balance was in the frozen account, the woman said it was a negative over 850 million dollars.
    The actual amount should be about a thousand. After your story, MikeOH, should be worried enough to close all my BOA accounts and go to a credit union?
    .

  • Attorney · Raleigh, NC · Member since 2008 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    17y

    "the woman said it was a negative over 850 million dollars."

    Wow. There's definitely a wife shopping joke in there I'm not going to touch...lol

  • Real Estate Investor · Portage, IN · Member since 2008 · 25 posts · 1 vote
    17y

    American Express is has to get rid of alot of their credit accounts to conform to the bank rules. In the first bailout by the Busch administration AmX was granted permission to be a bank so they can get their share of the bailout money. You can't be a bank if you only have credit cards. They are trying to become a bank. Wouldn't surprise me if they merged again with Ameriprise, there sister company that they split from several years ago.

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