Investing though a Corporation

Investing though a Corporation

Investor · Malibu, CA · Member since 2016 · 39 posts · 5 votes

Hi, Everyone. New member here.  We have a single family home that we bought with half down and half hard money that we paid off in a couple years.  Problem is the return is not that great without leverage.  We bought it through our corporation, but found out banks don't want to loan to Corporations for single family homes. You live and you learn.  We will probably end up selling that property to get our equity out.  But it is adjacent to Culver City, a booming area. So we should hold onto it for a few more years, methinks.  Now we are looking for other properties.

Talked to my local Chase banker about commercial lending.  The good news is my personal credit rating (which is not great) does not matter.  The less than good news is that the bank will only loan me what the rents will cover after expenses, and the smallest multi-family they will loan on is 5 units.  They will loan me 65% Loan to value.  They assume 5% vacancy, $250/unit/yr for replacement reserve, property taxes, insurance, utilities, and repair & maintenance.  Take total income and subtract those expenses and it determines the size of the loan I can get on the property. 

One thing I like about this is that the bank won't let me get into a bad deal that I cannot afford.  But it is challenging to find a property that fits their needs and gets me into the deal.

I have $250K-300K to invest.  The bank's minimum loan is $500K.  Properties I can afford end up with a lower loan amount and will not qualify.  Others that qualify end up needing a bigger down payment than I have.  Chase also wants to stay away from areas where properties are cheaper (Inland Empire, Fresno, Bakersfield, etc) because there are many questionable neighborhoods.  But my instincts tells me there are sill a lot of good properties in that area.

Should I approach local banks in those areas?  Should I just wait and save more money for a down payment on a local property?  Or are there other alternatives I am not considering.  

Thanks.

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  • Attorney · NJ · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 794 votes
    9y
    With a lot of equity, banks should be ok with lending if you offer a guaranty. Did you try that?
  • Fresno, CA · Member since 2009 · 116 posts · 85 votes
    9y

    Who says Chase wants to stay away from those areas? Chase does a lot of business here in Fresno. If your LLC has credit history, local banks are a good bet. Our local banks absolutely LOVE loaning on local real estate. You could even potentially get a good line of credit to buy rental.

  • Investor · Malibu, CA · Member since 2016 · 39 posts · 5 votes
    9y

    Thanks, Chris.  I should say that the commercial banker I spoke with says they loan from San Diego to San Luis Obispo. I assume another officer would cover other areas.  This banker told me that they would not loan in those areas unless the investor already had investment properties there.  I assumed this was because of the potential pitfalls of those markets.  But I did not contact anyone at a Chase bank in those areas. 

    I am learning as I go.  I found some properties on LoopNet in both Fresno and Bakersfield that appear to be in good neighborhoods and in good shape and within my budget.  I have not done my homework yet to know those markets better.  Wanted to inquire about the financing landscape to see if it is feasible first.

  • Investor · Malibu, CA · Member since 2016 · 39 posts · 5 votes
    9y

    Jessica, do you mean a personal guarantee?  

    I must confess that part of my education has been to better understand the lending options available.  I talked to Chase because that is where we have our corporate account.  But I suspect that does not really matter. 

    I appreciate that approach that Chase is taking.  They make sure the rent pays the mortgage.  That is good for me too.  My thinking is that I find properties that are in A or B neighborhoods but with up side potential.  Take 2-3 years to upgrade and raise rents.  Then I refinance and pull most of my money out so I can use it on the next deal.   The challenge for me is determining the right property and managing the upgrades wisely.  So I need to spend a lot of time exploring these markets.  I am finding the properties I like in the LA area are juuuust beyond my reach.  Fresno and Bakersfield are not next door but I can drive to them.  

  • Fresno, CA · Member since 2009 · 116 posts · 85 votes
    9y

    Chris, I just remembered that I have a friend who owns a mortgage brokerage here in Fresno. They just came out with an awesome non-owner occ program for investors. It's purely asset based. So with the amount of cash you have, you could potentially buy $1M in real estate. I think it would be worth you speaking with him and I can PM you his name and number if you wish.

  • Investor · Malibu, CA · Member since 2016 · 39 posts · 5 votes
    9y

    That would be great, Chris. Thanks. 

  • Contractor · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2015 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y
    Chris Penny On my search for potential development deals, I found out that commercial bankers are not the best fit, first and foremost is they cover themselves with bullet proof vest to a water gun fight. And I find it extremely difficult to understand why they need 50% of the land+construction and 0% soft cost, when other soft money could do 50% land + 100% construction and soft cost. Even with only 50% out, we will still shell out 150-200k for land purchase, no way that I am going to let that happen. With that, I believe you can go with credit unions or other creative lenders, to my opinion, they are less paperwork, but with more value on the lending side, ergo better leverage. If you know what you are doing, the opinion on the bank shouldn't matter if the investment property can pay off itself or not.
  • Property Manager · Castro Valley, CA · Member since 2016 · 212 posts · 110 votes
    9y

    Check with local banks.
    I would recommend calling Western Pioneer Financial: https://www.wpfloans.com/

    and speak to Tony if you are thinking about investing in Fresno.  

    You are correct, a commercial loan will only be for 5+ properties and require 35% down.  It will also be less likely you get into a bad deal, but you still have to do your due diligence.

    You probably want to find a property management company that you plan to work with.  Lenders for commercial property will ask about your experience owning commercial property.

  • Investor · Malibu, CA · Member since 2016 · 39 posts · 5 votes
    9y

    @Manolo D. - Thanks for that tip.  I assume then that you would approach a credit union near the property? I thought credit unions only deal with members.    

    @Ryan Scott Isacksen, thanks for that tip on Western Pioneer Financial.  You are correct that I will want to find a property management company.  Any referrals would be appreciated.

  • Contractor · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2015 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y

    @Chris Penny Yes, about 3, then a lot of jobs came in and I went busy. CUs have different rules, and there is always a way if you really want to.

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