Newbie from Ottawa

Newbie from Ottawa

Ottawa, Ontario · Member since 2016 · 5 posts · 1 vote

I'm taking 2-3 years while saving down payment to learn the REI business. I've owned several (6) homes (sequentially) over the years, but not much emphasis on investing, more concerned with family (3 kids). I own a newer home in Kanata, but less than 20% equity (getting close though).

These days I'm playing with spreadsheets to understand how things work, things like cap rate, taxes, CCA, etc. Other things on my list to learn are: 

How does property appraisal work (detailed)?

How do I qualify or credit check a tenant? Or, what would a property management company do if I hired them?

How does rent-to-own work? (not really enthusiastic about it, but I might have a one-time peculiar application for this) This is lower priority right now, more of a curiosity. 

How to estimate rent (without using cap rate)? Right now I just look at comparables, but I'm wondering if there are other rules-of-thumb, or other sources of info, etc.

When I was younger I worked in new home construction (my dad is a recently retired plumber), and still make small repairs. I don't intend to use much sweat equity, but when I look at a house or read a home inspection report I have a good understanding of it, etc. So I feel more comfortable understanding costs than I do revenues.

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Ottawa, Ontario · Member since 2016 · 61 posts · 13 votes
10y

Hi @Brad Dillman, nice to meet another Ottawa investor.  I will try my best to answer some of your questions (take it with a grain of salt - I am no expert in these areas).

Appraisal - From what I understand, banks/lenders use 3rd party companies to do appraisals.  It is based on market comparables and the condition/upgrades of your specific property in comparison.  Keep in mind that to a bank (and the appraisers) they will appraise it at what they think they can sell it for if the property owner defaulted and was foreclosed on.  So what "value" you put on your home may differ from what the appraisers say.  Quite frustrating when you are trying to re-finance to pull equity out....

Credit Check for Tenants - Check out Tenant Verification Services https://www.tenantverification.com

Rent-to-Own - There are many ways to go about this.  I suggest reading this book (which is Canadian specific!):  https://www.amazon.ca/Investing-Rent-Own-Property-Investors/dp/047073759X

Estimate Rent - Looking at comparables is the best way.  Kijiji, Realtor.ca, Padmapper, Rentometer are all great resources.

Best of luck. I recommend you check out OREIO here in town. It is a great REI group, very well run, and they meet once a month. Check out the website: http://www.oreio.org

Hope this helps.  Keep active and keep digging through Bigger Pockets!

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  • Ottawa, Ontario · Member since 2016 · 61 posts · 13 votes
    10y

    Hi @Brad Dillman, nice to meet another Ottawa investor.  I will try my best to answer some of your questions (take it with a grain of salt - I am no expert in these areas).

    Appraisal - From what I understand, banks/lenders use 3rd party companies to do appraisals.  It is based on market comparables and the condition/upgrades of your specific property in comparison.  Keep in mind that to a bank (and the appraisers) they will appraise it at what they think they can sell it for if the property owner defaulted and was foreclosed on.  So what "value" you put on your home may differ from what the appraisers say.  Quite frustrating when you are trying to re-finance to pull equity out....

    Credit Check for Tenants - Check out Tenant Verification Services https://www.tenantverification.com

    Rent-to-Own - There are many ways to go about this.  I suggest reading this book (which is Canadian specific!):  https://www.amazon.ca/Investing-Rent-Own-Property-Investors/dp/047073759X

    Estimate Rent - Looking at comparables is the best way.  Kijiji, Realtor.ca, Padmapper, Rentometer are all great resources.

    Best of luck. I recommend you check out OREIO here in town. It is a great REI group, very well run, and they meet once a month. Check out the website: http://www.oreio.org

    Hope this helps.  Keep active and keep digging through Bigger Pockets!

  • Investor · Ottawa, Ontario · Member since 2016 · 23 posts · 31 votes
    10y
    Brad Dillman Allen Seto Hi guys, also an investor from Ottawa. In terms of Property Management, there are some in Ottawa who do just tenant placement and some who find the tenant, manage the tenant, do repairs ect. Just depends on how much you want to be involved/how much you want to pay. Something that I've learned from BP is to always include a property management fee in your spreadsheet when evaluating properties whether or not you plan on using one. This will help in the long run if you ever decide you want to go hands off. I'd love to get together to chat sometime about the Ottawa market. Cheers
  • Ottawa, Ontario · Member since 2016 · 43 posts · 5 votes
    10y

    @Brad

     Great questions Brad. I am in a similar situation. Living in Ottawa, Ontario, owning my primary residence, and getting close to 20% equity.

    I recently found Bigger Pockets, and have been listening to the podcasts, and webinars strait for the last couple of days. You can glean a lot of good information from the podcsts, however it seems most, if not all, are related to the US market. We work a bit differently up here in Canada, and sometimes it is difficult to find out how different.

    Such as, I have enough for a small down payment on a home, but the fund are all in locked in RRSPs. I am working how to utilize these funds (self directed account), find and evaluate properties in the local area, and see what I can come up with for, preferably, a BRRRR.

    Getting the initial capital, or unlocking potential capital seems to be the hardest part to me.

  • Ottawa, Ontario · Member since 2016 · 5 posts · 1 vote
    10y

    @Andy Welmers yes, I have a large RRSP, about 1/2 is LIRA. I'm casually interested in how to access it, but I don't think I want to touch it. My reasoning: diversification. If my REI flops, I still have my RRSP. OTOH, because I have the RRSP as plan B, then I can be more 'fearless' and aggressive in REI.

    I have some TFSA money and I'm saving more, plus I'll soon have some home equity.

  • Ottawa, Ontario · Member since 2016 · 61 posts · 13 votes
    10y
    Andy Welmers and Brad Dillman , I may be able to offer some insight regarding using RRSP and LIRA money to invest in real estate. Send me a PM if interested.
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    Investor · North Bay, Ontario · Member since 2015 · 709 posts · 262 votes
    10y

    hi may be able to assist call if you wish or send  a pm

  • Investor · Ottawa, Ontario · Member since 2016 · 1 post · 0 votes
    10y

    Hi Brad,

    Good questions, and good answers.

    I am in the process of using my RRSP's to use as an investment in Real Estate.

    There are some rules around it of course.  The simplest is you can lend you RRSP as a mortgage on someone else's property.  Arms Length transaction.  

    OREIO is a great organisation, next meeting is on the 14th of September. I probably cannot attend this month's meeting, but look forward to meeting you at future ones. I do suggest anyone who is interested in real estate and lives in Ottawa should attend. Annual dues are $127.00  This should be on the top of everyone's list for investing in their real estate business.  www.OREIO.org

  • Investor · Ottawa, Ontario · Member since 2016 · 225 posts · 46 votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Eric Larose:

    Hi Brad,

    Good questions, and good answers.

    I am in the process of using my RRSP's to use as an investment in Real Estate.

    There are some rules around it of course.  The simplest is you can lend you RRSP as a mortgage on someone else's property.  Arms Length transaction.  

    OREIO is a great organisation, next meeting is on the 14th of September. I probably cannot attend this month's meeting, but look forward to meeting you at future ones. I do suggest anyone who is interested in real estate and lives in Ottawa should attend. Annual dues are $127.00  This should be on the top of everyone's list for investing in their real estate business.  www.OREIO.org

     Do you know how to purchase the tickets for the event since I can't find it online

  • Investor · Skokie, IL · Member since 2016 · 43 posts · 15 votes
    6y

    @Harrison D. what property managers do you recommend in Ottawa?

    Thanks!

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