My name is Alex, and I am "part of the problem."

My name is Alex, and I am "part of the problem."

Investor · Howey In The Hills, FL · Member since 2015 · 95 posts · 37 votes

Hi.  My name's Alex from central Florida.  I'm a Leo, I like long walks on the beach and exporting democracy at gunpoint.  I'm not part of the solution, I'm part of the problem.  When you watch the news and you ask yourself, "Self, what is wrong with the world?"  Boom, I'm your guy.  But hey, the problem pays well and someone's gonna collect that check.  What else was I gonna do with a BA in English Lit?

Okay, all drama aside I'm a security contractor over in the Middle East providing force protection for an American/Saudi defense cooperation contract...thing.  They don't pay me to know the business lingo, they pay me to stand around and scowl at passersby and let them know that maybe they ought to keep on walking and not take any pictures.  Honestly I hate that stuff, the whole 'pretending to be angry all the time' thing.  I'm such a nice guy in real life lol.  However, I will admit that walking around with a P90 is pretty cool.  That one SANG soldier eyeballing you from the turret of the gun-truck wondering if he could get away with an "accidental discharge"?  Not so cool.

Anyway, my situation has left me with a great opportunity to channel my decent paycheck and extremely low living costs into something far more productive than most of my coworkers, who are blowing it all on moonshine and four ex-wives.  I want to buy apartment complexes, whether they're single buildings or larger, multi-building properties.  Once bought I want to hold the properties and use them to create a stable, long term income for me so that I can be comfortable   Unfortunately I'm stuck over here in the sandy buttcrack of the world where everyone wants to stab me, so I don't have the luxury of face-to-face interaction much.

So, here's my problem.  I've never owned a house or had a mortgage in my life at all, so I'm wading into all the financing options as a total newbie.  It feels a lot like headbutting a brick wall, speaking from experience.  Well, okay, not exactly like it because you don't have to dig brick dust out of anywhere interesting but you get the idea.  I can accumulate savings rather quickly compared to most people, but I don't have a home to use for an equity credit line or any of the other creative tricks to get investment capital.  What I really need is to just chat with some folks who know more than me, and hopefully this is the right place to do it.  I need help with financing, specifically figuring out how to purchase these properties with less money down than the standard 20% that a lot of banks want.  I've been watching lots of youtube videos and there are a lot of introductory videos to hard money lenders and creative financing, but much less in terms of detailed material or step by step guides.  

That basically sums up what I want to get out of this forum, information and connections with people who know more than me.  The most important thing for me is getting this all done as efficiently as possible so that I can get the hell out of the desert and back to civilization.  Or Thailand.  Okay, probably just Thailand.  Or at least some lovely tropical third world country where nobody is waving black flags and setting people on fire. 


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Investor · Avilla, IN · Member since 2013 · 796 posts · 769 votes
11y

Welcome and good luck. After you buy a few deals you should write a book. Youre far more entertaining than most RE "writers" :)

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  • Real Estate Investor · Silicon Valley, CA · Member since 2012 · 169 posts · 52 votes
    11y

    Hi, and welcome! I was flung head first into multi fam many years ago. And was not an A or B prop. Perhaps starting w a duplex or quad would be a good starting point for u? 

  • Investor · Avilla, IN · Member since 2013 · 796 posts · 769 votes
    11y

    Welcome and good luck. After you buy a few deals you should write a book. Youre far more entertaining than most RE "writers" :)

  • Specialist · Victor, NY · Member since 2013 · 823 posts · 844 votes
    11y

    The financing is a big part of it and there are tons of forums on here that talk about how you can creatively fund deals with less than 20% down on this website. Use the search function and peruse til you are blue in the face. There's a lot more to managing a rental portfolio than buying it though, especially if you are still going to be half a world away. Where does your interest in apartment complexes come from? Have you looked at other REI niches, mobile home, self storage, parking lots, 2-4 family, etc, etc, etc? I chose to start in 2-4 family because of the low barrier to entry and lower (comparatively speaking) risk. Losing a $50K house would suck but it would suck a lot less than losing a $500K complex. Anyways, just some things to think about. REI is not "mailbox money" (at least not initially). You have to get very smart and then work very hard and usually the paychecks don't start rolling in right away so you have to be willing to work for deferred compensation at first.

  • Herndon, VA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 324 votes
    11y

    Welcome to BiggerPockets.  

    Do you have "boots on the ground" that you could partner with?

    Assuming you don't I would do the following process(may want to do this even with a partner):

    1. Find a property manager

    2. Find a good mortgage broker and look at financing options

    3. Find a good real estate agent and find a property(ies) 1 and 2 should be able to point you to someone who is good at finding investment properties.  You can probably buy with an average agent, but you want someone who can sell on a good timeline for a good price when you need to sell.

    I would recommend using a reasonable amount of leverage to get into a higher class/lower headaches property vs. buying something cheap for cash.

    Are you eligible for owner-occupied financing if you live in the property when you are in the US?  A 3 or 4-plex where the remaining units pay the mortgage could be a great starting point.

  • Investor · Howey In The Hills, FL · Member since 2015 · 95 posts · 37 votes
    11y

    @Jesse T:  Thanks for going into some details.  I had already realized that finding a property manager was going to be a priority once I had a property in my sights, so I'm on top of that already.  As for a mortgage broker, well, as I mentioned in my post I have zero financing experience so I'm kind of groping around blindly there but I'll tkae your advice and start digging into brokers.  As for your question regarding whether I'm qualified for a type of financing that I don't know about, well, I don't know about it because as stated before I'm a total newb.  I do know that I can't live in any of these units because I have to stay out of the USA for all but one month of the year in order to stay tax exempt.

    So, overall, this kinda sucks.  I've been messaged and posted at by a number of people telling me that apartment complexes are just a bad place to start, and that sucks.  I mean, yeah, duplexes are fine and all but there's only so many duplexes in the world and most of the ones in central Florida are woefully overpriced because they happen to be near one of the innumerable theme parks which don't actually make the place a more attractive rental.  Le sigh, le whine, I need to do more research after I get drunk on some kind of pine cone liquor one of the guys brewed in an old boot or something.

  • Specialist · Rockland, MA · Member since 2010 · 7k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    11y

    @Alex SImon 

    Welcome. A buddy did a 242 unit while deployed.  Fill in the foundation first  below. You can always put money into someones deal to experience first hand.

    Check out the Start Here page http://www.biggerpockets.com/starthere

    Check out BiggerPockets Ultimate Beginner's Guide - A fantastic free book that walks through many of the key topics of real estate investing.

    Check out the free BiggerPockets Podcast - A weekly podcast with interviews and a ton of great advice. And you get the benefit of having over 100 past ones to catch up on.

    Locate and attend 3 different local REIA club meetings great place to meet people gather resources and info. Here you will meet wholesalers who provide deals and rehabbers.

    Two Great reads, I bought both J. Scott The Book on Flipping Houses, The Book on Estimating ReHab Costs http://www.biggerpockets.com/flippingbook

    Consider checking out HUD homes for small multi's owner occupied gets first crack.

    Download BP’s newest book here some good due diligence in Chapter 10. Real Estate Rewind Starting over

    http://www.biggerpockets.com/files/user/brandonatbp/file/real-estate-rewind-a-biggerpockets-community-book

    Good Luck

    Paul 

  • Investor · New Orleans, LA · Member since 2014 · 73 posts · 29 votes
    11y

    Joe Camel Burgers. One of my fond memories from being in the "sandy butt crack" of the world. 

    Hopefully, I can add my two cents. Maybe, for starters, you can target a 4-Plex or small apartment complex near one of the University Hotspots in Gainsville, Tampa or Tallahassee? I'm sure that's not the sexy part of the state,  but the steady flow of fresh faces should allow for a steady income.

  • Investor · Tallahassee, FL · Member since 2014 · 246 posts · 89 votes
    11y

    welcome @Alex SImon  ! You definitely have a way with words. Good news is that what you are doing has probably given you a higher stress-threshold than any other career would. That will come in handy as an investor. Read up on this site, post questions and stay safe.

    Sebastian

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