Investor · San Antonio · Member since 2020 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
If there is not something in the HOA bylaws against short term rentals is it safe to do a short term rental in that subdivision or I should I called the HOA and ask? I've known one particular HOA where the person that was over the HOA was death against short term rentals, but there was nothing in the HOA bylaws stating that they were disallowed. They went so far as to hold special meetings trying to get the other residents to past new HOA rules. A person like that if asked if HOA was was allowed might say no even If it wasn't disallowed in the bylaws. Your thoughts on that please.
Also I am looking to do a short term rental in a town called Converse Texas at the moment. Does anyone know the process of dealing with Converse Texas? Am I supposed to call a certain department of the city etc.?
Real Estate Broker · Cody, WY · Member since 2010 · 28k+ posts · 41k+ votes
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The Planning and Zoning office should be able to tell you. However, you also need to check for any homeowner's association or covenants that may be even more restrictive.
If there are no existing HOA rules, then you can legally do it. However, the HOA could institute new rules to ban it and then you'll have a fight on your hands. It's best to avoid anything in an HOA because they can make your life hell or your renters could make your life hell by ignoring HOA rules.
Call the township. Call the HOA. You're about to spend potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars and you aren't going to simply call them to inquire? The more information you can get the better. There are always upset community people who will fight and scream against any sort of change, but it's irrelevant to their bylaws as you stated. It's usually safer to find a community that already allows them, as it's unlikely they're going to backtrack on all the new income sources they're loving.
Real Estate Broker · Cody, WY · Member since 2010 · 28k+ posts · 41k+ votes
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The Planning and Zoning office should be able to tell you. However, you also need to check for any homeowner's association or covenants that may be even more restrictive.
If there are no existing HOA rules, then you can legally do it. However, the HOA could institute new rules to ban it and then you'll have a fight on your hands. It's best to avoid anything in an HOA because they can make your life hell or your renters could make your life hell by ignoring HOA rules.
Investor · Greenville, SC · Member since 2019 · 77 posts · 304 votes
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@Joe S. The best route to go would be to check out the gov't website and see if they have anything specific on short term rental laws. Many cities now require STR permits. These often have guidelines around zoning and what qualifies for a STR own-occupied permit, STR non-owner occupied permit, or if it is not allowed at all. If still no resources available online, it would be in your best interest to call zoning / codes office to ensure you aware of any potential local laws. Another thing to be aware of is what is required to obtain a permit. Nashville, for example, you need to pass a fire marshal exam. Many of these type of exams require a certain amount of fire alarms that are interconnected, window size for emergency egress, etc. Just something to be aware of. Most of these types of permits cost money in the form of annual permit fee.
Additionally, I would check with the HOA. If the HOA is hard to find contacts for, go through your RE agent or the selling agent to provide that info. Some HOAs drastically increase the amount you have to pay per year in order to operate as STR. I've ran into this in Nashville. Some HOAs don't allow it at all..
The Planning and Zoning office should be able to tell you. However, you also need to check for any homeowner's association or covenants that may be even more restrictive.
If there are no existing HOA rules, then you can legally do it. However, the HOA could institute new rules to ban it and then you'll have a fight on your hands. It's best to avoid anything in an HOA because they can make your life hell or your renters could make your life hell by ignoring HOA rules.
What newer homes are remotely not going to be a part of an HOA?
Rental Property Investor · Franklin, TN · Member since 2019 · 160 posts · 125 votes
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1. Enter the name of the city and state of interest into your search engine;
2. Type in ABC City, XYZ State followed by the words: "Short term rental ordinance";
3. This should bring up the local laws (if any) plus any news articles on STR rules in the area, which are often hot topics;
4. If nothing comes up, it's possible (especially in outlying areas or smaller towns) there are no regulations - which if that's the case you have Uber private property rights and can STR to your hearts content - zero regulation;
5. If the City and / or County has a permit application process read carefully (before investing) as to whats required; some are flexible (easy) others such as San Francisco or Nashville are extremely tough;
6. Read all news articles to see status of the STR laws - As Nathan points out, this can be a moving target and rules and laws can change;
7. If you're in an HOA or your sub-division has C, C & R's read all governing documents and C, C & R's; Generally prefer to avoid STR's in HOA's because they tend to outlaw them or over regulate them; exception may be an extremely high demand vacation or tourist destinations;
8. Last but not least - buy in a high demand / tourist destination with lots of community amenities; during Covid esp within 2-3 hours driving distance to major cities i.e. Palm Springs vis a vis Los Angeles or Pigeon Forge, Gatlinburg, Sieverville vis a vis Knoxville, Nashville, etc. Always have an exit strategy and viable alternative use such as LTR; moving in yourself; make quality desirable "hard" improvements (if within budget, due respect to reserves, pay extra principal on any mortgage each month) to force appreciation; be prepared to have the best, most desirable property in the hottest location in case you need to sell or 1031 out due to changes in laws or political climate.
The Planning and Zoning office should be able to tell you. However, you also need to check for any homeowner's association or covenants that may be even more restrictive.
If there are no existing HOA rules, then you can legally do it. However, the HOA could institute new rules to ban it and then you'll have a fight on your hands. It's best to avoid anything in an HOA because they can make your life hell or your renters could make your life hell by ignoring HOA rules.
What newer homes are remotely not going to be a part of an HOA?
Depends on your city. I live in an area where a lot of homes (new and old) are not part of an HOA.
The Planning and Zoning office should be able to tell you. However, you also need to check for any homeowner's association or covenants that may be even more restrictive.
If there are no existing HOA rules, then you can legally do it. However, the HOA could institute new rules to ban it and then you'll have a fight on your hands. It's best to avoid anything in an HOA because they can make your life hell or your renters could make your life hell by ignoring HOA rules.
What newer homes are remotely not going to be a part of an HOA?
Depends on your city. I live in an area where a lot of homes (new and old) are not part of an HOA.
Well I just scratched one off the properties off the list for a short term rental. The city said they are fine with short term rentals the home owners association of that particular property said no rentals less than 90 days. I still have two more houses to check on. :-)
Well I just scratched one off the properties off the list for a short term rental. The city said they are fine with short term rentals the home owners association of that particular property said no rentals less than 90 days. I still have two more houses to check on. :-)
Always read the fine print. More and more places are cracking down. I know one HOA in my area that restricts short-term rentals to only properties that are owner-occupied 51% of the time. If the owner leaves for the winter, then they can rent it out short-term for up to half the year.
Here is the difficulty with STR in a city or suburb. Contact them and ask for the ordinance. The rules could change at any time. Most ordinances will say any occupancies of 30 days or less fall under the hotel requirements. This would mean in a subdivision it would not be allowed. Be very careful confirming it is allowed and if so what the rules are. I've spent a career reading zoning ordinances. Be careful. To add to the difficulty if you have an HOA read the bylaws. Be aware of percentages allowed within a subdivision. HOA and city requirements are two different sets of rules, but each applies independently.
This is why vacation areas are easier to run a STR. The economy is driven by the hotel business and STR business. There economy thrives on vacationers ready to spend money.
Here is the difficulty with STR in a city or suburb. Contact them and ask for the ordinance. The rules could change at any time. Most ordinances will say any occupancies of 30 days or less fall under the hotel requirements. This would mean in a subdivision it would not be allowed. Be very careful confirming it is allowed and if so what the rules are. I've spent a career reading zoning ordinances. Be careful. To add to the difficulty if you have an HOA read the bylaws. Be aware of percentages allowed within a subdivision. HOA and city requirements are two different sets of rules, but each applies independently.
This is why vacation areas are easier to run a STR. The economy is driven by the hotel business and STR business. There economy thrives on vacationers ready to spend money.
Call the township. Call the HOA. You're about to spend potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars and you aren't going to simply call them to inquire? The more information you can get the better. There are always upset community people who will fight and scream against any sort of change, but it's irrelevant to their bylaws as you stated. It's usually safer to find a community that already allows them, as it's unlikely they're going to backtrack on all the new income sources they're loving.
I think it's even safer to find a community that embraces them. Because a short term rental is technically allowed by ordinance doesn't translate into a happy life for you. If you go into a primarily residential neighborhood and open up a hotel, you are going to be chased out by the "hounds of Baskerville", guaranteed.
Residential Real Estate Broker · Cartersville, GA · Member since 2015 · 575 posts · 581 votes
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@John Underwood The renting of property for residential use has been upheld in multiple courts as a noncommercial activity which makes complete sense if you think about it. People who go to an Airbnb sleep, take showers, watch TV, etc. All non commercial activities. On the other hand if you had business signage up at the house, a front desk manned by employees, a restaurant on site that served food, etc. that would be commercial activity. Don't fall for the ******** that city planners try in redefining zoning issues.
@Joe S. The first thing you should do is read Tarr vs. Timberwood Park Owners Association where the Texas Supreme Court ruled in favor of a homeowner who tried to rent his unit out in an HOA and he won. VERY important case for you.
Do not assume that any HOA automatically can restrict you; I have found almost no HOA has the right language in their covenants to stop you from doing short term rentals.
For instance you said:
"The city said they are fine with short term rentals the home owners association of that particular property said no rentals less than 90 days."
So my response is NEVER go with what ANYBODY says. READ it for yourself, don't assume anything. Do the covenants say no leases shorter than 90 days or does it say renting. How is renting/leasing defined? The reason I say this is people have a very big misconception that allowing a guest stay at a home is somehow a sublease when it is not at all.
Leasing confers legal rights in the form of a leasehold interest and gives occupants certain rights under law.
When you do an Airbnb you are giving a "license" to occupy. Sounds minor but it's a MAJOR legal distinction. Persons granted a license can have that license revoked at will by the grantor for any or no reason. Hotel/Motel stays, campground stays, bed and breakfast, Airbnb, vacation home stays, having your sister stay at your house during thanksgiving; these are all examples of licenses being granted.
I agree with others that HOA's are not my first choice but don't be automatically dissuaded just because someone says you cant do that.
@John Underwood The renting of property for residential use has been upheld in multiple courts as a noncommercial activity which makes complete sense if you think about it. People who go to an Airbnb sleep, take showers, watch TV, etc. All non commercial activities. On the other hand if you had business signage up at the house, a front desk manned by employees, a restaurant on site that served food, etc. that would be commercial activity. Don't fall for the ******** that city planners try in redefining zoning issues.
You have to have commercial insurance on a STR rental property to be covered.
Residential Real Estate Broker · Cartersville, GA · Member since 2015 · 575 posts · 581 votes
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@John Underwood Not true at all that you need commercial insurance to be covered. Does a long term rental have to have commercial insurance? Nope. A rental is a rental and the type of policy required is underwritten primarily based on the activity happening on the property. Insurance companies would like you to think that so they can charge you higher premiums but it just ain't so.
I agree that some companies may give you **** about it and I think commercial insurance is better anyway but there's no law about it. Plus you also might pay hotel/motel taxes or own the property in an LLC name, or have other commercial obligations such as a business license BUT the courts covered that as well by saying those are obligations incident to owning property and still doesn't convert the actual activity being performed on the property to commercial activity. Sleeping, eating, paying bills, doing homework and watching TV are residential any way you look at it.
@John Underwood Not true at all that you need commercial insurance to be covered. Does a long term rental have to have commercial insurance? Nope. A rental is a rental and the type of policy required is underwritten primarily based on the activity happening on the property. Insurance companies would like you to think that so they can charge you higher premiums but it just ain't so.
I agree that some companies may give you **** about it and I think commercial insurance is better anyway but there's no law about it. Plus you also might pay hotel/motel taxes or own the property in an LLC name, or have other commercial obligations such as a business license BUT the courts covered that as well by saying those are obligations incident to owning property and still doesn't convert the actual activity being performed on the property to commercial activity. Sleeping, eating, paying bills, doing homework and watching TV are residential any way you look at it.
You are wrong.
A short term rental is considered commercial. You need a specific commercial STR policy to be covered.
A homeowners policy can deny coverage for damage caused by STR.
Residential Real Estate Broker · Cartersville, GA · Member since 2015 · 575 posts · 581 votes
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Well I'm actually not wrong; maybe we just differ in opinion as to what constitutes "commercial" or I wasn't clear enough in my statements. I never said you should keep a homeowners policy on a rental property (although there are instances where you would still be covered if you did) that's just common sense. I was saying you don't necessarily need specific short term rental insurance to be covered and that a normal landlord dwelling policy just like you have on a long term rental provides coverage. That being said, I agree that having a STR specific policy is much better because of the extra coverages offered that addresses things common to the STR industry such as: liquor liability, hot tubs, jet ski's, golf carts, etc.