Considering Options for My STRs

Considering Options for My STRs

Member since 2020 · 15 posts · 4 votes

I have been operating two short term rentals in a town a couple of hours away in a college town for a little over a year now. We recently expanded and now have another property about 5 minutes from where we live, and the mix of self-managing these three properties, along with increased work responsibilities at my W-2 is getting a bit much, and I'm rethinking my strategy. Specifically, regarding the two properties in the college town a couple of hours away, I had been doing everything remotely except the cleaning and stocking, and had delegated this to a local cleaner. Well, my rookie mistake was not setting up a system to monitor her work. Over the last couple of months, I've been going to the properties a little more frequently and realized that she's doing a horrible job. I brought this up with her, told her what I found myself and pointed out what she wasn't doing correctly, and then sent a checklist of expectations of what should be cleaned/completed at each cleaning. Unfortunately, on a trip there this weekend, I found that the situation hadn't been improved and am now going to be letting her go. For a little more background, I've had quite a few comments over the course of the year, but I think by being very responsive, apologetic, and offering refunds where appropriate, I've been able to keep my ratings up. When I would bring these complaints up with the cleaner, she would generally deny the allegations or make excuses, and out of fear that I wouldn't be able to find someone else (or just putting my head in the sand and avoid the problem all together), I would defer to her and not push the issue. I realize that this is no longer viable and a change has to happen.

I'm a big fan of Bigger Pockets and have realized through reading/listening that the largest benefits of real estate come over time through loan paydown, taxes, and appreciation, and over the short term through cashflow. But if I rethink my strategy, I'm at a place in my life where I don't need to maximize monthly cash flow at any price, but still want my properties to pay for themselves (and then some) without creating another job. So, since I'm at a crossroads, I blocked future bookings, and only have a few more this month; so this would be a perfect time to change strategy if I wanted.

The options I see are:

1) Find another local cleaner, and spend many long evenings over the beginning period monitoring their work;

2) Hire a local STR property management company to deal with it;

3) Scale back my operations significantly - I realized that by only renting the property out on football game and graduation weekends, that I can probably make 70-80% of annual expenses and use this time to reset;

4) Hire a local individual to act as a personal property manager;

5) Move away from STR (at least on these two properties) and pivot to LTR;

6) Pivot to Medium Term Rentals since the properties are already furnished.

Regarding #1, this is kind of business as usual, but would have me learn from my mistakes on the first cleaner and hopefully not repeat them. This is also the option that probably makes the most cash flow, but is the most work. I'm trying to take things off my plate though, and this would not do that (at least in the short term).

Regarding #2, this would be easy, but the properties that I've seen that are run by local STR property management companies tend to have lower ratings and much lower bookings that I do, which makes me wonder whether I would cashflow anything with this route. Otherwise, though, this would be probably the easiest.

Regarding #3, this would allow me to essentially reset and only focus on the high dollar nights. I'm about to go through a very busy period at work (ramping up now until the beginning of next summer) and this would allow me to essentially take this off my plate for now (except for a few weekends), while still cash flowing. This would obviously have me finding a new cleaner, but it would give me time to evaluate their work without the pressure of quick turnarounds and extreme urgency. Also, my work will get the busiest in the spring, and I could mostly shut it down during that period, and refocus and ramp up again next summer;

Regarding #4, the more I think about this, the more I like it. If I paid someone a reasonable salary (I'm thinking $1,000/month) and they managed both properties in terms of guest communication, responding to emergencies when they appear, visit the properties (they're next door to eachother) weekly, and have a monthly meeting with me to brief me on what's going on (or someother regular timeframe). This option would provide the boots on the ground to make sure the cleaner is doing their job appropriately, and give the properties the attention they deserve. This is obviously a pretty big expense, but it would give me some control while not having to be flooded with work. Also, it is obviously more expensive than option #1, but would probably net enough money to make more cash flow than the other options (except for maybe #6, I'm not sure how that would work out). In the short term though, this could also create more work as I would need to hire both the cleaner and the local manager and train the local manager.

Regarding #5, I can begin moving away from STR (at least in the short term), and move into LTR with the knowledge that my cash flow would mostly disappear, but the properties would still pay for themselves and I would still see the long term benefits of real estate. Also, I could always pivot back to STR in a year or two if I wanted.

Regarding #6, I think reducing the number of turnovers would decrease my work, and this way, I could still keep the football/graduation weekends for STR and do 1-3 month stays for the remaining parts of the year. I would still be looking for a new cleaner and would have the monitoring work (especially at the beginning), but it would cut down on the communication when work ramps up a lot (especially in the spring).

Do y'all have any thoughts or suggestions? What would you do in my position? Are there any possibilities I'm not seeing? Also, does anybody have a method of finding a strong/reliable cleaner that has worked well for them (this is also important for us since we haven't found anyone good at the new property near our home)? 

At the moment, I can't scale up, and am spending my nights/weekends working on my real estate instead of having it work for me and need to make a change for this to work over the long term.


Thanks!

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Robert GilstrapPro Member
Residential Real Estate Broker · Cartersville, GA · Member since 2015 · 575 posts · 581 votes
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@Aaron Henricksen  How about locating a husband/wife/friends "team" and pay them a % of booking revenue and they handle cleans, maintenance and basically everything for that property?  Maybe alter the % based on review feedback.  As you add more doors they can take on more as a team as they can handle it or you find another team and repeat. They are incentivized to do it the right way and if they don't you pull the property from them and find another team.

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  • Robert GilstrapPro Member
    Residential Real Estate Broker · Cartersville, GA · Member since 2015 · 575 posts · 581 votes
    4y

    @Aaron Henricksen  How about locating a husband/wife/friends "team" and pay them a % of booking revenue and they handle cleans, maintenance and basically everything for that property?  Maybe alter the % based on review feedback.  As you add more doors they can take on more as a team as they can handle it or you find another team and repeat. They are incentivized to do it the right way and if they don't you pull the property from them and find another team.

  • John UnderwoodPro Member
    Investor · Greer, SC · Member since 2014 · 13k+ posts · 17k+ votes
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    I would recommend you get another cleaner that can do a great job and help restock supplies. Therefore you wouldn't need a local PM. 

  • Property Manager · Nova Scotia · Member since 2021 · 78 posts · 52 votes
    4y

    You've put a lot of thought into this, and there aren't many bad options here. 

    Short term, here's the action plan before you worry about changing your business model:

    You need a new cleaner. 

    If you can't find one overnight (and I fully appreciate that you can't) you can at least start looking now and I would look for more than one. We have a "team" of cleaners, and we gain and lose a few every quarter basically. We have never had to "fire" any, the cream rises to the top and the ones who aren't that into it slowly drift away. In doing things that way you'll also discover your best cleaners are people looking for a little extra money (students, moms or dads looking to boost the household income or pay for a vacation).

    We use apps "Properly" and "TurnoverBnb"

    The app schedules cleanings automatically based on bookings. You'll create a custom checklist and inventory for the property to make it very clear what you want done. This will also include the cleaner matching photo examples of how you need things to look as well as sending photo examples to the app (the app requires the photo before they can mark the job done). Properly actually offers a paid service for someone to do a quality check, but I have done a review from the back of a taxi in another continent; so believe me when I tell you it makes managing these things remotely very doable.

    With the inventory, the cleaners do a count after each cleaning, and when the threshold gets below what you've set as your "warning" you'll be notified of that (so you can prepare to stock up after the upcoming stay).

     If you have a "pool" of potential cleaners you can start to see who is going above and beyond and push them to become your primary cleaner. The best ones often have 2 or 3 other clients, so if they're busy the day you need a cleaning they just decline (no pressure) and the job gets sent out on a first come first serve basis to the rest of your cleaners.

    If you're honest and fair with your team, this system works pretty great and the best part is it's VERY scaleable if you end up really happy with the results and looking to invest in more long-distance STRs.

    In my example, there would be a separate manager who actually buys/delivers supplies and fixes things. This could be you if the rental is within a weekend drive and you don't mind checking in once a month or so (might also be worth looking and minimum night stays to decrease turnover). But could also be one of your primary cleaners (for bonus pay) or another person (student maybe) to whom you pay a monthly fee for occasional stop-ins or even pay "per visit as required." If you hire full time they'll likely want % of earnings, but that's still manageable if they're doing a great job and making money for you. When I was a student I did some cleanings, and when the inventory was low the owners just sent a list to their friend who would do a bi-weekly visit.

    The issue you're running into is THE primary issue that STR owners run into, and if you'd prefer to hire an STR manager there are likely one or two in your area who would be happy to take this on. I have faith that you can figure this out though and not have to spend a disproportionate amount of time on it.

    If you go the route of medium-term rentals you'll want to do some homework to get connected with insurance companies and other groups that relocate folks for months at a time. If you make the right connections this can be a great option. The sweet spot for MTR was the last two years, I think we're going to see a bit of a slowdown now..but it's still not a bad option by any means (especially if you can max out those Football and Grad weekend bookings)

    Long-term rentals will always be the more passive option. So if you prefer to sit back a little more, that's the way to go. No shame in it. I love STRs, but sometimes they just aren't the right fit for what we're doing. 

    Piece of mind has a price tag, and many owners find it's higher than the money you'll make running around trying to put out the same fires over and over again. Any time there's a chance to make a "quick and easy" dollar I remember the 3 days it cost me to clean up the mess lol.

  • Specialist · Tampa, FL · Member since 2017 · 36 posts · 30 votes
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    Option 2) hiring a management company - would allow you to shift focus back to your primary job. Given the right group who has "boots on the ground" in the area and multiple services like housekeeping, maintenance, guest comms, etc. will mean your place will be in better shape. 

    Option  6) shifting to medium stay bookings - could also be done and your market/listings may be better suited for it, your management would know where to strike the balance for length-of-stay

    If they do a good enough job to keep you from hiring 3rd party maintenance, housekeeping, etc., you should end up covering at least most of their commissions with increased revenue. Pricing management alone could do that but with so few listings you won't have the industry knowledge to do it as well as a competent VRM Co would.

  • Jody JubachBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Lancaster, OH · Member since 2022 · 38 posts · 41 votes
    4y

    A college town sounds like a perfect opportunity for a college student to learn the ropes of STR's, maybe advertise as more of an internship? I can see huge benefits from your side and theirs.

  • Real Estate Agent · Kansas City · Member since 2018 · 4k+ posts · 3k+ votes
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    Quote from @Robert Gilstrap:

    @Aaron Henricksen  How about locating a husband/wife/friends "team" and pay them a % of booking revenue and they handle cleans, maintenance and basically everything for that property?  Maybe alter the % based on review feedback.  As you add more doors they can take on more as a team as they can handle it or you find another team and repeat. They are incentivized to do it the right way and if they don't you pull the property from them and find another team.


     Love this reply. Would be awesome to do this. Maybe harder initially to find someone but worth it. 

  • Houston, TX · Member since 2022 · 10 posts · 4 votes
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    I’ve been in your same shoes, but you don’t need to give up the short term rentals. Find a new cleaner and get a software that allows you to virtually inspect your places. Then setup this process from the beginning with a new cleaner. I don’t recommend doing this with your current cleaner because its hard to teach an old dog new tricks

    We use Co-Keeper to get cleaning reports. You can make your cleaners send close up pictures so you can inspect and you can track supplies too. We actually use Shipt to deliver the low supplies while she’s cleaning and have her do a quick restock too. This process works great for us and we RARELY get a guest complaining now. Best of luck!

  • Drew SygitBusiness Member
    Property Manager · Royal Oak, MI · Member since 2012 · 13k+ posts · 9k+ votes
    4y

    @Aaron Henricksen one of the challenges of checklists is how easy they can be faked.

    Recommend you require either a Completion Video or do live video stream when they are done.

    You could also use "carrot or stick" for pay penatlies or bonuses based upon reviews.

  • Investor · Greenville, SC · Member since 2020 · 210 posts · 302 votes
    4y

    I’d push back on the presupposition of point #1 - that it will require “many long evenings to monitor the work” of a new cleaner. If you can find a cleaner who takes ownership over their work and views your success as their shared success, then that type of person will probably be better at cleaning the property than even you would be.

  • Dan H.Pro Member
    Investor · Poway, CA · Member since 2015 · 7k+ posts · 8k+ votes
    4y

    I would go for #2.  The item about a professional not managing as good as you may be true, but you should find a professional PM that is very good.  Do not look for average or good enough.  Look for someone that manages their client's properties similar to how they would manage their own property.  

    Professional PMs are not getting wealthy.  They are working hard for their living.  They have experience level that using a husband/wife team would not.  They may have handymen for issues.  They have cleaning crews.  They have dealt with bad tenants.  The saying is nothing beats experience.  I believe this is often true and #2 provides the most experience.  Let the PM worry about the quality of the cleaning, dealing with unsatisfied tenants, etc.  Note this will have a cost and affect your cash flow, but I go back to they are not getting wealthy managing your property.  They are working for the living and you get to leverage their team and their experience to your benefit.

    We have 3 STRs each professionally managed.  We have 19 LTRs all self-managed but I have considered transitioning some to professionally managed.

    Good luck

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