ADU Success Story in SF Bay Area $275per sqft Finished

ADU Success Story in SF Bay Area $275per sqft Finished

Investor · SF Bay Area · Member since 2021 · 18 posts · 16 votes

Hello All

I’ve been creeping on the forums as most of us have for a few years. I’ve actually used the forums here as a legitimate source of information as so many people do the groundwork for you in regard to interpreting new laws and various calculators.

I have always dreamed of passive income. After almost one year of debating the best way to get into the passive real estate market I decided, building an ADU was the best for my family. I started this quest back in Winter 2018 drawing out a doodle on a piece of scratch paper how the ADU would sit on the property for my wife to see. Fast forward 2.5 years and we just received our official letter from the city building department granting us a designated address and certificate of occupancy.

Background: We currently occupy the SFH we decided to build the ADU on. The home is located in a quiet suburb of San Mateo County near a local BART station (Sorry, I won't say specific location as of now but would respond to private messages in regards to it, maybe  ). The Main home we occupy is 1500sqft+ on a 6700sqft+ lot. I know this may not seem like a ton of space, but our lot is extremely deep as the main home doesn't occupy a large footprint. Anyways, we decided to build the ADU at the furthest portion of our backyard, setbacks were respected at 7feet, making the front door of the ADU over 125ft from the front of our property line and 60ft+ from the rear of our main home. This left us with plenty of space for a backyard yard that still feels extremely private as we have built horizontal privacy fencing and planted plenty of beautiful maple trees.

The Unit: ADU- 746sqft 40x18 2bed/2bath. The unit was designed as a rectangle with the living space/kitchen situated between both bedrooms to optimize privacy for occupants, no shared walls are hard to find in the Bay Area. There is one master suite (10x10) with its own bathroom and wall closet. While the second bedroom (12x12) doesn't have its own bathroom, it does have a nicely sized walk-in closet which may be more important to some. The hall bathroom is located a few steps across from the second bedroom, so it still feels private. We opted for an open floor plan as this is most desired by our target audience, young professionals. We spent more than originally planned on the kitchen but are happy with the decision. We want people to be happy with where they live, not just happy to have a roof over their heads. So we added twice the amount of kitchen cabinets as originally planned and even a pot filler over the range. The Laundry unit is situated in the living space. The original plan set called for side-by-side units with possible bifold/curtain concealing the unit. We changed this to a stacked unit, thus creating a coat closet besides it and concealing it with some heavy barn doors. This is where the changes to the plan set stopped. We are extremely thankful for our architectural design team, Alex Tzang Group, as they thought of EVERYTHING and then some more!

First contact with Architect- Oct 2020

Plan set submitted- Nov 2020

First comments from City- Jan 2021

Plan set approved March 2021

Construction begins- March 2021

Major construction ends- June 2021

Minor finishes on backorder- July 2021

Final Approval- August 2021

Address designated- September 2021

Planning- 2 months

Construction- 4 months (delays due to land surveyor request from city on foundation work)

This was going to be our second major construction project and 3rd kitchen we've built. Experience is priceless as most of you would agree when it comes to watching budget and becoming cost effective. The first hurdle after getting approved plans from the city was hiring a GC. As many of you know prices are all over the place with some General Contractors using covid as an excuse for an upcharge. Below is listed the bids we received to construct the ADU of 746sqft as a rough finish (GC is responsible for all materials/labor to a drywall finish. We are responsible for providing all finishes, flooring, faucets, paint, etc. They install all finishes and get unit to pass final inspection.)

Contractor 1- Previous GC we used to renovate our main home 3 years ago- $350k

Contractor 2- Local GC in our neighborhood- $250k

Contractor 3- local GC in the area- $210k

Contractor 4- GC referral from Alex Tzang Group- $190k

Contractor 5- GC we hired $150k

As you can see the bids are all over the place from $150k-$350k. A few people were skeptical of the lowest bid of $150k and warned us not to do it. “High risk, high reward” is the motto for real estate investment, right? Lol. Also, we met with him and he seemed like a straight shooter just doing honest work. We accepted the bid for $150k after he met with our architect for final approval, thank you again Alex Tzang Group for going the extra mile and interviewing GCs for your clients.

I would like to note that we did shop and explore the prefab route. There are some solid choices in the bay area; ConnectHomes, Mighty Building, and Habitat (now known as “VillaHomes”).

Connect Homes- 1 bed 500sqft- $244k

Mighty Building- 2 bed/1 bath- $290k

Habitat Homes- 2bed/1bath- $245k

We opted out from these as they still had some extra costs and didn’t’ provide a floor plan we really loved.

Now for the part everyone cares about:

Cost- $205,619 (All-in)

Rent- “occupied” received a deposit within two days of showings

$3500 monthly $42,000 annually

Architect- Alex Tzang Group

General Contractor- North Bay Construction

I feel like we did a good job with total cost and annul rent. I'm searching for another property on the peninsula to repeat this process. Our main home should be able to rent for $4000 monthly on the conservative side so that would be $7500 monthly on a SFH. Constructing an ADU seems to be the best way for the "Average Joe' to get into the real estate game in my opinion.

Thanks for the read and analyze away to give me feedback on if we did it right or what you would change.

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  • Johnson H.Pro Member
    Investor · San Francisco, CA · Member since 2010 · 910 posts · 889 votes
    5y

    Thanks for sharing this great story @Ralpheal Doe. Your pricing is good for the peninsula and great value add to your property when price per square foot is selling for more than double your construction cost. I did a search for your GC and found two, one in Hayward and the other in SF. Could you share which one? Thanks!

  • Investor · SF Bay Area · Member since 2021 · 18 posts · 16 votes
    5y

    Hello @Johnson H.

    Thank You for the reply. Yes, the value add seems positive. If only appraisers valued detached ADU the same as main dwelling I'd be more than 3x construction cost.ha. I'm actually considering reaching out to our credit union to see what they value the property at for a HELOC. If we get lucky then I'll be repeating the process on another purchase. In regards to the GC, I'm already starting to regret posting their information. I've had a few people already reach out asking for his contact info to replicate what we did. He is based in Hayward,CA. Alex Tzang Group has contact information for plenty of contractors. I found mine on my own but I'm pretty sure he is now added to Alex Tzang contact list due to cost, finish quality. Not trying to come off as a douche, I wasted a few GC time years back asking if certain things were possible with cost and they usually responded with "Do you have a plan set yet?". Architect should also be able to ballpark construction cost based on your location. send me a private message if you would like to further discuss

  • Member since 2018 · 8 posts · 5 votes
    5y

    Hi Ralpheal,

    Thanks for your deal deep dive. This is very helpful to me and inspirational for me to post my own ADU story. Mine did not end as well as it could have though since it cost me 84k and in the end the appraiser assigned a value of 50k for it. :( womp womp.

    Did you do a cash out refi after it was completed? If so, would you share what the appraiser valued the new ADU at?

    Congrats on the passive income! You did great! We also super celebrated getting our first rent check this July. 

    Angelique 

  • Johnson H.Pro Member
    Investor · San Francisco, CA · Member since 2010 · 910 posts · 889 votes
    5y

    @Ralpheal Doe Thanks for sharing. I understand about all the tire kickers out there. I have a project coming up and just trying to find the right GC for the rehab.

  • Rental Property Investor · Los Angeles · Member since 2019 · 157 posts · 175 votes
    5y

    @Ralpheal Doe don't feel bad about being protective of your team, especially since you want to work with them again in the future. I have a similar ADU breakdown post, just in the LA area, and I've had countless people ask for contacts. I always ask for more details of their project to see if they are fully funded, have approved plans etc. and I generally never a response beyond that. Serious leads can make you one of their favorite clients but a bunch of phone calls asking for ballpark prices based on just ideas are a hindrance.

  • Rental Property Investor · Santa Clara, CA · Member since 2019 · 160 posts · 156 votes
    5y

    Great job, @Ralpheal Doe! Congratulations on the amazing cash-on-cash return! 

    Did you end up renting the ADU out to 2 individuals separately? Floor plan looks nice!

    Astounding differences between the GC quotes...You did an absolutely amazing job controlling the cost!

    Do you have pictures of the finished work that you could share? 

  • Investor · SF Bay Area · Member since 2021 · 18 posts · 16 votes
    5y

    Hello @Angelique Herman

    I have always been curious about garage ADU conversions. I've reviewed a few appraisals in detail for SFH and have been amazed at the difference in one-car garage to two-car garage. If you have a previous appraisal for your property check if the appraiser valued your garaged conversion at more than "adding an additional parking space". I'm still debating if I should do a cash-out refi to consolidate the debt I racked up to build the ADU. Most of it was done with cash. We only purchased finishes on credit cards (mostly to rack up a ton of points!, something else I'm heavily involved in). If I do a cash out refi I'll gladly share the results as there are zero comps in our neighborhood with ADU.

    Congrats on your first rent check! any milestone to getting off the "Hamster Wheel" of working everyday should be celebrated!

    Ralpheal

  • Investor · SF Bay Area · Member since 2021 · 18 posts · 16 votes
    5y

    Hello @David A.

    Thank You for having similar mindset on not wanting to advertise contact information. I checked out your post out on the ADU buildout, very nice! You have also inspired me to entertain allowing interested parties to visit the ADU before tenants move-in. It would be nice to meet like minded people and network just how you did.

  • Investor · SF Bay Area · Member since 2021 · 18 posts · 16 votes
    5y

    Hello @Chen Zhou

    Thank you and congrats on your ADU success as well. I prefer to always rent to "One-Party". I let them decided how to divide up the rent. It is easier to take legal action against an entire household instead of one individual who is acting out in my opinion. The floor plan was just designed for a worst-case scenario of needing to rent to two separate parties. It can even be converted to a one bedroom AirBNB by removing window near bathroom in master suite and replacing it with entry door, deleting internal master suite door to living room, that's another conversation tho :)

    I was able to rent to our targeted tenant pool of healthcare workers, two nurses will be roommates.

    I have a few pictures from an iPhone, not best quality. Architect is coming later today actually and should have more post worthy pictures I'll update with later.

    Brick veneer backsplash & pot fillerHall bath tiled to 10ft ceiling to make space feel largerMaster bath also tiled to ceiling in modern touches
  • Bruce WoodruffPro Member
    Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
    5y

    @Ralpheal Doe Congrats! You done good...I feel like you got a little lucky going with the lowest priced GC, but ya never know. I would not generally encourage people to do this as it typically ends in disaster.

  • Investor · SF Bay Area · Member since 2021 · 18 posts · 16 votes
    5y

    Hello @Bruce Woodruff

    I agree with you on trying to stay away from the lowest bidder for most situations. However, just because someone is more costly doesn't guarantee work will be done properly. In my previous career I needed to size people up on a daily basis. Upon meeting this GC he seemed like a straight shooter. I spoke with three of his past clients and then even our architect vetted him. He is a younger guy who works with his crew everyday. He enjoys the work which says a lot about someones character. We only hit one snag with inspections which wasn't even the GC fault, land surveyor was needed for setbacks. I look forward to working with this GC again in the near future.

  • Bruce WoodruffPro Member
    Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Ralpheal Doe:

    Hello @Bruce Woodruff

    I agree with you on trying to stay away from the lowest bidder for most situations. However, just because someone is more costly doesn't guarantee work will be done properly. In my previous career I needed to size people up on a daily basis. Upon meeting this GC he seemed like a straight shooter. I spoke with three of his past clients and then even our architect vetted him. He is a younger guy who works with his crew everyday. He enjoys the work which says a lot about someones character. We only hit one snag with inspections which wasn't even the GC fault, land surveyor was needed for setbacks. I look forward to working with this GC again in the near future.

    Congrats, you found a good one! Probably less expensive because he's younger. I'd bet in 10 years he'll be the highest price guy....you have to be if you wanna stay in the game and do everything legit...

  • Rental Property Investor · Los Angeles · Member since 2019 · 157 posts · 175 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Ralpheal Doe:

    Hello @Bruce Woodruff

    I agree with you on trying to stay away from the lowest bidder for most situations. However, just because someone is more costly doesn't guarantee work will be done properly. In my previous career I needed to size people up on a daily basis. Upon meeting this GC he seemed like a straight shooter. I spoke with three of his past clients and then even our architect vetted him. He is a younger guy who works with his crew everyday. He enjoys the work which says a lot about someones character. We only hit one snag with inspections which wasn't even the GC fault, land surveyor was needed for setbacks. I look forward to working with this GC again in the near future.

    I couldn't have said it better myself. The prices for each professional involved (surveyor, architect, contractor etc.) vary so much that you can't just default to the middle bid. Recommendations from trusted sources who have actually used their services before are more important to me. How they act from the initial e-mail, phone call, meeting, bid is often a good indicator of how they will be throughout the project. My contractor was the lowest bid as well, but that's because he uses his own crew for most of the work. He only takes on a couple projects at a time but likes to knocks them out quick and move on. He loves building, not managing multiple crews across 10 different job sites all across the county. He makes a very comfortable living but isn't trying to keep up with the monthly payments on that brand new fully loaded Ford F350 and a speed boat. These kind of contractors aren't easy to find, but ask around those in the industry and they know exactly who loves what they do and isn't just watching the clock until Friday payday.      

  • Rental Property Investor · Los Angeles · Member since 2019 · 157 posts · 175 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Ralpheal Doe:

    Hello @Chen Zhou

    Thank you and congrats on your ADU success as well. I prefer to always rent to "One-Party". I let them decided how to divide up the rent. It is easier to take legal action against an entire household instead of one individual who is acting out in my opinion. The floor plan was just designed for a worst-case scenario of needing to rent to two separate parties. It can even be converted to a one bedroom AirBNB by removing window near bathroom in master suite and replacing it with entry door, deleting internal master suite door to living room, that's another conversation tho :)

    I was able to rent to our targeted tenant pool of healthcare workers, two nurses will be roommates.

    I have a few pictures from an iPhone, not best quality. Architect is coming later today actually and should have more post worthy pictures I'll update with later.

    Brick veneer backsplash & pot fillerHall bath tiled to 10ft ceiling to make space feel largerMaster bath also tiled to ceiling in modern touches

     This looks great, the tile work is very impressive. Be sure to send the professional photos to you contractor so he can share them with future clients. I'm thinking of doing a 3d virtual tour scan once everything is completed with my build which my architect and contractor can use but I can also use for future rental listings.

  • Bruce WoodruffPro Member
    Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @David A.:

    Great suggestion....most good Contrs will have them already taken, but it never hurts to make sure. I used to have a professional photographer go do this, and then make them into little books to hand out to prospective customers....

  • Investor · SF Bay Area · Member since 2021 · 18 posts · 16 votes
    5y

    Hello @David A.

    It sounds like we have the same GC ha. Thanks again for more valuable advice of having a 3D tour completed. I'm reaching out to firms today. This will not only benefit me in the future for listing but also serve as a reference for the GC to other clients. 

    Also here are a few exterior shots showing division of the yard for the ADU. I chose a horizontal style fence to create privacy but still feel open. Pictures are taken from the edge of the main yard which is 75 feet from the front door of the ADU. Going to plant 2-3 trees in front of the ADU fence near the large living room window to create more privacy.

    Walkway to the ADU with concrete pavers the right of the beginning of the walkway to the ADU, viewing main yard Showing walkway to the ADU from main yard. Jasmine climbing vines growing over posts create an amazing smell as you walk to ADU. 
  • Real Estate Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2017 · 172 posts · 47 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @David A.:
    Originally posted by @Ralpheal Doe:

    Hello @Bruce Woodruff

    I agree with you on trying to stay away from the lowest bidder for most situations. However, just because someone is more costly doesn't guarantee work will be done properly. In my previous career I needed to size people up on a daily basis. Upon meeting this GC he seemed like a straight shooter. I spoke with three of his past clients and then even our architect vetted him. He is a younger guy who works with his crew everyday. He enjoys the work which says a lot about someones character. We only hit one snag with inspections which wasn't even the GC fault, land surveyor was needed for setbacks. I look forward to working with this GC again in the near future.

    I couldn't have said it better myself. The prices for each professional involved (surveyor, architect, contractor etc.) vary so much that you can't just default to the middle bid. Recommendations from trusted sources who have actually used their services before are more important to me. How they act from the initial e-mail, phone call, meeting, bid is often a good indicator of how they will be throughout the project. My contractor was the lowest bid as well, but that's because he uses his own crew for most of the work. He only takes on a couple projects at a time but likes to knocks them out quick and move on. He loves building, not managing multiple crews across 10 different job sites all across the county. He makes a very comfortable living but isn't trying to keep up with the monthly payments on that brand new fully loaded Ford F350 and a speed boat. These kind of contractors aren't easy to find, but ask around those in the industry and they know exactly who loves what they do and isn't just watching the clock until Friday payday.  

    Its impossible to kill this myth that the pricier contractor is good . I am also not saying to go with the cheapest . It's just that there is no silver bullet. The original poster and you have shared some good tips.

    I will go further and add that - references are also not a easy path. A contractor who is completely reasonable two years earlier can become very expensive suddenly , I also have seen cases where they dont have a team and hence no bandwidth , so rather than saying that , they just give an insane bid 

  • Rental Property Investor · Los Angeles · Member since 2019 · 157 posts · 175 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Ralpheal Doe:

    Hello @David A.

    It sounds like we have the same GC ha. Thanks again for more valuable advice of having a 3D tour completed. I'm reaching out to firms today. This will not only benefit me in the future for listing but also serve as a reference for the GC to other clients. 

    Also here are a few exterior shots showing division of the yard for the ADU. I chose a horizontal style fence to create privacy but still feel open. Pictures are taken from the edge of the main yard which is 75 feet from the front door of the ADU. Going to plant 2-3 trees in front of the ADU fence near the large living room window to create more privacy.

    Walkway to the ADU with concrete pavers the right of the beginning of the walkway to the ADU, viewing main yard Showing walkway to the ADU from main yard. Jasmine climbing vines growing over posts create an amazing smell as you walk to ADU. 

     Wow this is very impressive, you are surely going to have a wait list of health professional tenants lined up. 

  • Bruce WoodruffPro Member
    Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Kumar Tummalapalli:

    Its impossible to kill this myth that the pricier contractor is good 

    That's because they usually are. Sometimes for no other reason than they have to be....

    I had some competitors that knew absolutely nothing about building but were hugely successful. Why? Great businessmen and marketers...plus they had go-getter wives :-)

  • Real Estate Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2017 · 172 posts · 47 votes
    5y

    The biggest scams that I dealt with in real estate investing always came from the priciest contractors. Apparently all the extra money is going to their high profile litigation attorney who has a bill board on the highway .


    Originally posted by @Bruce Woodruff:
    Originally posted by @Kumar Tummalapalli:

    Its impossible to kill this myth that the pricier contractor is good 

    That's because they usually are. Sometimes for no other reason than they have to be....

    I had some competitors that knew absolutely nothing about building but were hugely successful. Why? Great businessmen and marketers...plus they had go-getter wives :-)

  • Investor · SF Bay Area · Member since 2021 · 18 posts · 16 votes
    5y
  • Investor · SF Bay Area · Member since 2021 · 18 posts · 16 votes
    5y

    I took @David A.advice and hired a photographer. I even had a Matterport 3D completed for future records. Anyways, for the countless people asking what the unit looked like well here it is! I'm debating hosting in-person visits and will see how much traction I get here.

  • Rental Property Investor · Santa Clara, CA · Member since 2019 · 160 posts · 156 votes
    5y

    Absolutely stunning and full of character. Love the modern farmhouse style! 

  • Rental Property Investor · Santa Clara, CA · Member since 2019 · 160 posts · 156 votes
    5y

    @Ralpheal Doe

    A few questions as I compare the pictures to your cost breakdown: 

    1. Where did you get your cabinets? These are beautiful Shakers! The price included countertop? It's amazing price!!

    2. Where did you get your doors? They are beautiful and I absolutely love the barn door for the laundry/closet space. Similar style doors at Home Depot takes 8 weeks for delivery nowadays, so I was wondering if you know any place that can deliver these faster. 

    3. Did your cost breakdown include the furnace, water heater, and AC unit? How about landscaping and solar panels (since solar is required for new builds now)

    4. Did you have to do electric upgrade? 

    THANKS!!

  • Investor · SF Bay Area · Member since 2021 · 18 posts · 16 votes
    5y

    Hello @Chen Zhou

    1. All cabinets and countertops were purchases from Granite Expo in Emeryville. They have the best quality/pricing I've been able to source. The Quartz countertops were only $290 per slab if I recall correctly without going to my receipts. The quality of their cabinets is top notch as well. I've never had issues with their pull-outs or soft close features and this is our third kitchen. I do get a contractor discount which saves 10-15%. Everything must be done in-person with them which is the only downfall but worth the saving.

    2. All doors were purchased via lumber yard "South City Lumber". All lumber for the project was purchased from them and delivered for free, close proximity allowed this. Some times you have to get creative when it comes to barn doors. I didn't want the typical big box store looking barn doors. Also I wanted them to match the rest of the doors in the living space to blend tastefully. You are looking at literally two slab doors and a Wayfair double barn door kit. Doors were around $100 each and the barn kit was $150. It took a few hours for the contractor to set it up, doors required notching below for the guides so it doesn't flop around.

    3. Furnace and tankless water heater were included in the contractors initial bid of $150k. A/C unit was a change order of $2k which I included in the initial breakdown near the bottom. I just finished the landscape breakdown and will post it. The yard was literally a 2,200sqft blank slate after the ADU build. Total cost for landscaping was $30,394 including materials/labor. The main home has an extremely large solar system, 23- Module 8.28kWDC, 6.79 kWAC and 1 Tesla battery. We piggybacked from the main home for electrical which the city approved as the unit technically draws from solar. Monthly bill with everything turned on inside the unit is $5.28 month for both units, yes five bucks! The the solar system was installed on the main home and a complete panel upgrade was done (200amp). This wasn't included in the ADU build as this was done on the main home previously and not ADU related.

    Backyard BreakdownYard after ADU completeDaytime of yard for main homeNight of yard for main home
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