Property Manager & Tenant Nightmare

Property Manager & Tenant Nightmare

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I’ll start out by saying I’m new here, and have spent a few hours reading through posts. I’m glad to find a forum that allows discussion and advise on all things related to real estate.

Having said that, I’m have recently found myself in a very distressing position with my current property manager and one of my properties.

A little background:

I live in Houston and have been using a medium-sized regional property management company with decent to good results for the past 4 years to manage 2 single family properties. Whenever problems have occurred, they generally worked with me to resolve them. Not perfect, but not worth cancelling our Property Management Agreement.

At the beginning of this year, a tenant at one of the properties moved out early which required me to work with the property manager to find a new tenant. The company is responsible for finding and vetting potential tenants and the overall experiencer me is hands off. The new tenants moved in at the beginning of March.

Now in the meantime, the company I’m contracted with was acquired/merge with a larger property management company based in California. The new contract I signed only stated that this new compony would function in place of the old one and that all previous agreements and contracts would be maintained. Ok, so far, so good.

Moving back to the property itself, everything had been going well for months from March through April with the tenant making the $1400 payments and my portion minus property management fees going into my bank account each month. In the middle of May, I noticed that I did not receive any funds (usually deposited around the 10th of each month) and reached out to my property manager. She seemed confused and told me she would investigate and reach out to me with updates. Several days go by and I inquire again but she’s not responding. I finally call the Houston office and request help, of which I get from another colleague of hers who informs me that the May payment was not received due to NSF. I’m still not getting updates from her no matter how hard I try. It gets to be late May at this point.

I finally get ahold of my assigned property manager, who tells me things are much worse. It seems that the March and April payments that were made were done by credit card and the tenant has issued chargebacks for these months. I was shocked - what do you mean credit card payments? The original company, pre-merger, didn’t accept credit cards, and I was never alerted to any change in payment processing. I double checked my PMA and it doesn’t get into the nitty gritty of how payments are processed. Hmm….

Needless to say I was pretty upset because now I’m being told that all 3 months the tenant has lived in my property has basically been for free to them and I’ve had no air coverage from the property management, no heads-up this was going on, and when I dug deeper her story started to change about when they found out and that it was only recently discovered. But keep in mind, at this point it’s the very end of May and the May payment was already NSF with me trying for weeks to get to the bottom of things.

Now the kicker, we move into June and surprise surprise, the tenant hasn’t made the June payment by the deadline. I’m now livid. To add to this, my property manager tells me that I am responsible for paying their company back the March and April rent because the CC chargeback took the money from them after the fact. She shrugged off my concern and tells me that her company essentially payed me out money they never had, and retroactively, I now owe them the difference. What?!?! I told her that I wasn’t even aware of credit card payments now being allowed and I surely would have moved my business elsewhere, because how insane is it to accept credit cards for rent? She actually AGREES with me and says it’s crazy that they would accept credit cards, and to add insult to injury, tells me she’s now just finding out this is an payment option for tenants and blames the company merger on the change. Again with a sigh and a shrug.

She tells me the tenant has agreed to pay all back rent by June 10, which I’m skeptical of and voice to her, but at this point I’m thinking it’s worth a shot. Today is June 10, and after numerous attempts to reach her she finally emails me and says they did not pay, as agreed, and they will be starting eviction proceedings.

Please someone correct me if I’m wrong, but this is clearly a case of fraud by the tenant and at the very least a case of negligence (or worse) by the property management company.

I try to reach her boss, the regional director of the area, and get no responses. I then try to have her facilitate a meeting to which she replies “I’m not sure what value he could add here, because he doesn’t know the background of what’s going on”. (Seriously she told me this. My response was not pleasant.) I even try to send messages to the founder of the new parent company in California listed on their website, detailing my problems and asking for help. I don’t know if that avenue will be fruitful but I’m trying all options at this point.

Honestly, what are my options here? I am getting nowhere trying to reach an agreement with the property management company as they have basically turned a cold shoulder on me and only seem to give me the bare minimum (when they do respond) or change the details of the story each time we talk (examples: “we just found out late May this was a problem” to the next conversation “we cut off their ability to pay with credit cards in April after they issues chargebacks” to “I just found out we accept credit cards”). There hasn’t been any transparency in this process or accountability, or even professionalism, and now I’m being told the missing money needs to come out of my pocket?!?

Honestly, what are my options here? I know there is always a legal option, but I’m not eager to jump to that and I’m not sure exactly how that would be framed, honestly. Has anyone ever experienced anything like this?

Thanks in advance. - Ty

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  • Nathan GesnerBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Cody, WY · Member since 2010 · 28k+ posts · 41k+ votes
    6y

    @Account Closed There's too much to address. 

    I don't really see a problem with accepting credit cards except that I'm personally against them. Yes, the tenant can reverse the charges and pull the money back, but did you know they can do that with ACH, as well? It is very rare that a tenant pulls the money back and it's not difficult to dispute that with the credit card company and get the fees back. I had it happen a couple times with vacation rental charges. It takes a couple months to work through, but I was always able to prove the charges were valid and get the money back.

    You do not need to pay the property management company back. They accept credit cards; they accept the risk. Again, it's their responsibility to collect the rent. They can file a claim with the credit card company, prove the charges were justified, and the credit card company will pay them back.

    I don't know of many companies that ask Landlord permission before allowing certain forms of payments. That's unreasonable. What if you don't want credit cards but another does? And then other Landlords only want cash? Or one will take credit cards, but not American Express? Your property manager is successful when they have standardized systems in place and trying to adjust to the personal whims of every Landlord will just result in mistakes and kill their business.

    The bigger issue is their inability to communicate. I would be concerned that it takes them so long to respond. The issue could have been identified on the first phone call by reviewing the tenant's ledger. It sounds like they have some incompetent employees, their software is really bad, or they are trying to hide something.

    Is it worth firing them? That's for you to decide. It may be worth at least writing them a letter explaining your disgust with their behavior and see if they can provide a solution to prevent it from happening again. 

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  • Spring, TX · Member since 2016 · 57 posts · 14 votes
    6y

    @tyson horsley Sorry to hear about your experience.  You should not have to pay that management company back.  They can fight the credit card companies.  They’ve been hired to navigate the minefield of property management.  Credit cards are not bad in my opinion as an emergency option.  To avoid situations like this, we have a simple eviction policy that is explained to tenants upon move-in.  The eviction process is task and time driven so delaying constantly in hopes of collecting the money only exacerbates the situation.

    Good luck moving forward.  

  • Property Manager · Henderson, NV · Member since 2018 · 501 posts · 317 votes
    6y

    I would ask the property management company if they have taken steps to dispute the chargeback with the tenants credit card company.  The likelihood of the credit card company siding with you is unlikely (they are going to side with their customer 99% of the time) but it is free and worth a try.  

    I would also double check the lease contract and verify what it states regarding returned payments.  For example, does it say that if there is one returned payment then going forward all payments must be certified funds (cashiers check or money order).  The purpose of determining if the PM followed the lease is to backup your argument that you will not be returning any funds to the PM.  

    Finally, when you think it prudent, I would end your relationship with the PM company. At the very least, the communication is not there and unacceptable. 

  • Drew SygitBusiness Member
    Property Manager · Royal Oak, MI · Member since 2012 · 13k+ posts · 9k+ votes
    6y

    @Tyson Horsley

    Adding to what Nathan G. stated, it appears that your current PM contact is NOT handling the merger well. They may be switching software packages and your contact isn't yet familiar with the new software, or the data is in "limbo" during the transistion.

    None of this is technically your problem, but as you can see, in reality it is. They are now in "call reluctance" mode because they want to avoid you yelling at them. Hence their email response to you instead of using the phone. Perhaps "counting to 10" and trying a softer tone may get you farther with them. 

    Of course, your other option is to terminate them and roll the dice with a new PM.

  • Tracy StreichPro Member
    Real Estate Broker · Tulsa- OKC Oklahoma · Member since 2017 · 868 posts · 801 votes
    6y

    Most all PM companies that manage for others are taking credit cards.   The tenant can dispute and ACH charge just as easily.  It does happen and that is not the fault of the PM.   If a tenant gave a check and the Pm sent you the money, then the check was returned from the bank, would you blame the PM?   Or expect the PM to eat the rent?  Your tenant could have made the decision to not pay at all the last 2 months and there would have been really nothing you could have done anyway.  It does sound like you need to schedule a call with a Supervisor of the new company and discuss your concerns.  If they cannot be addressed you may want to move to a new PM.   Just remember the grass is not always greener. 

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