Renters want to move out due to Rat infestation.

Renters want to move out due to Rat infestation.

SFR Investor · Member since 2011 · 198 posts · 61 votes

I have a young couple that has been in my home since last December, every quarter I do an inspection on the home to make sure everything is working etc. The first two inspections went well and the home was very clean. The home is one of the nicest homes on the street and is rented under market value for the area but the area is not great.

On Friday I get a call from them saying they are moving out due to rats in the house. I asked them when they noticed them and why no one told me before I get a notice they are moving. They stated about two weeks ago and they are running all over the house.

I was out of town so I went over on Sunday armed with about 120 dollars in rodent bait and supplies. I entered the home and looked everywhere and only found mice droppings in the laundry room. I put out bait everywhere including under the house and attic. I thought this would be good enough since I found little evidence of any mice or rats.

Now while I was in there I noted the brand new carpet had nasty stains everywhere and the hardwood floors looked like they had not been cleaned in a long time with stains on them. Today I get a notice to vacate the home on September 30th and they want all of their deposit back on that date. They hired a consumer advocate to help them and this is the letter I received from her below.


NOTICE IS HERBY GIVEN that because of the above dwelling’s condition and chosen remedy, substantially endangers the health and safety of the tenants and your failure to comply with your implied warranty of habitability by refusing to repair defects on the premises, in a proper and professional manger, as previously demanded of you, the undersigned tenant has elected to vacate the premises without penalty in accordance with California law.

A formal and final walk through is to take place on Sept 30, 2012 @ 3:30pm. The tenants will vacate the premises no later than September 30, 2012 by end of final walk through.

v The tenants waive their right to pro-rated rent reimbursement

v The tenants waive their right to reimbursement of property damage to personal belongings caused by rodent infestation and to relocation expenses.

It is expected that the tenants deposit will be refunded in full, due to zero damage beyond normal wear and tear to the property. Documentation is available for your review upon request.

It is requested, since the tenants are acting in good faith and waiving their legal rights, that the deposit be personally handed to tenants by end of final walk through on September 30, 2012 without prejudice.

If you have any questions or concerns regarding this notice, feel free to contact me. Thank you in advance for your cooperation in this matter.

On behalf of the tenants, M & J, we extend our sincere thank you and success in your future endeavors.

Today I called a name brand pest control company to inspect the property and take care of the problem. My question is since I am properly taking care of the problem do they have to honor the 30 days notice in my rental agreement and the up to 21 days to return the deposit?

I have a suspicion that since the wife got a better paying job they just want to move out now to a nicer area and want the money back now to move and there is no huge infestation.

Please help me with this as I have never had this problem yet.

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Rental Property Investor · Mercer Island, WA · Member since 2008 · 22k+ posts · 14k+ votes
14y

They have lawyer'ed up. You need to do the same.

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  • Investor · Delaware County, PA · Member since 2013 · 18 posts · 5 votes
    12y
    I know this is an old post, but can you share how things ended up for you?
  • Investor · Milford, CT · Member since 2012 · 592 posts · 285 votes
    12y

    Probably not what @Account Closed expected if he was going to fight this battle. Since they already lawyer-ed up I would just try to make sure they get the hell out and not trash the place any worse than it is. This is just like the tenants who end up not paying last months rent and just move on. Is it really worth $1200 to get into a legal battle for this? In my state if a tenant wins on Security Deposit dispute its 3x security the landlord has to pay out. Just be lucky you didn't also have to shell out $1000 on eviction on top of this.

  • Hanford, CA · Member since 2013 · 5k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    12y

    It sounds like the house was just rehab and it was in move in conditioned when the tenants moved in. If the tenants were only there for 10 months personally there should be no wear and tear. Honestly. I would charge them for any damage. It sounds like once they decided to move they no longer paid any attention to the house and its conditioned.

    I personally would quote word for word wear in the lease they are violating.

  • Involved In Real Estate · My City, NJ · Member since 2013 · 181 posts · 81 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Larry K.:
    Jon Holdman
    I am intrigued by your advice to use a MTM lease rather than yearly.

    Perhaps I will do this with my next tenants or when the current lease expires.

    Could you elaborate on the upsides and downsides of both?

    Thanks

    Larry,

    MTM tenancy might work good in warm climates, but in colder climates, empties with heat running are $ suckers. We ended up with an empty in early Dec, it just got rented for March 1st. The collectable tenant is being sued for the rent for three months & cost of heat because of a signed lease. I lease up with them ending in summer or April when everyone is rich with their tax return money. If they leave in winter they owe, no one is looking to move around the Holidays or snow, so I want them on the hook.

  • Investor · Vancouver, WA · Member since 2013 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    12y

    Month to Month is the way to go here in the temperate climes of Southwest Washington. Tenants will move any time they want to, with or without a lease.

    With our law that allows either the tenant or the landlord to give a 20-day notice to end the tenancy, we can act quickly to move out an undesirable tenant. It is a "no cause" type notice and needs only to be served at least 20-days prior to the end of the rental period - that means 20 days before the end of the month on a MTM agreement, not counting the day it is served.

    We've only used this a few times and actually gave the tenants more time than the 20 days and helped them find moving resources. They thought we were doing them a favor by giving them extra time and left peacefully without destroying the place. We can also serve a 3-day pay or quit and a 20-day no cause at the same time if the tenant hasn't paid the last month's rent.

    About the original post by @Account Closed The letter you received from the consumer advocate was obviously a canned letter, as it did not fit the situation as you described it. Glad you shared it as it gives me thoughts on how to be proactive when dealing with tenant advocates. Ditto on wanting to know how things turned out for you. Let us know the outcome on the RATS.... the human ones.

  • Chicago, IL · Member since 2013 · 136 posts · 32 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Jon Holdman:

    And CA is a very tenant friendly state.

    Yah don't play around in CA, you will lose. Talk to a lawyer immediately.

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