Need to hear from actual property managers

Need to hear from actual property managers

Rental Property Investor · Winslow, ME · Member since 2008 · 826 posts · 281 votes

We own 34 units in Central Maine and want to really step back into the shadows and have the portfolio managed. However, I LOVE the paperwork and reporting, balancing checkbooks, creating documents, etc. and want to keep that part. My wife does the leasing and really would love to outsource that but she's a "control freak" (and rightfully so. She's a true bad-*** leasing agent). We have a young lady whom we've gotten into the business by giving her 13 units we sold to another party. She's open to a "blended product" whereby we handle the office and paperwork and she handles the boots on the ground part. 

So my question for you property managers is, "what percentage of your time, roughly, is spent "boots on the ground" vs. "hands on the keyboard"?  I managed the 13 units in question for one year and found at least 80% of my time was at the desk. Some was "one time" learning how to setup Quickbooks and do more precise reporting vs. how I do reports myself. But even after accounting for that, very little of my time was spent boots on the ground. We have class B tenants so they're pretty "low maintenance" in general. 

My thought was to offer her 4% or hourly rate with 4% max gross income  for 

Fielding calls (maintenance, emergencies, questions re policies, complaints, etc.)

Inspecting units (bi annually, more in questionable situations)

checking for leaks twice per year (part of inspection, putting blue tabs in toilet tanks, etc.)

driveby's once per week (check for trash, exterior problems, etc.)

We would do everything else. For leasing we'd give first month's rent with a MAX "once per year" per unit and a 50% refund if we had to evict for any reason, or there was any unreimburseable damage or other fees (i.e. if she doesn't do a good job placing a tenant, it costs her!)

These are just ideas, not set in stone. But paying 10% management fee is so unthinkable to me (whether it's earned or not). I know after one year of charging 8% to the man I sold my buildings to, that 8% was mostly gravy. I probably earned the highest hourly rate I've ever earned managing property for 8% of gross income. Of course one was an 11 unit that I'd owned for 7 years so it was a little easier. 

Thanks all!

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  • Rental Property Investor · Providence, RI · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 594 votes
    8y

    This really all depends on the condition of the real estate and how many buildings it is divided amongst.  If these are properties needing work and are more labor intensive, then I would say that is where most of the work lies.  If this is an established, relatively low maintenance portfolio, I would just consider giving her a maintenance contract.  You set up automated rent payments to you.  Your wife deals with the leasing as you like, and you maintain bookeeping.  Create a service contract with her where tenants know to contact so and so as the third party maintenance liaison.  She deals with all of the nuisance calls, repairs, etc.  I think a small monthly fee and standard 20% mark up on services rendered would be reasonable if this was the road that you went down.  

  • Rental Property Investor · Winslow, ME · Member since 2008 · 826 posts · 281 votes
    8y

    @Brandon Ingegneri - This sounds like a GREAT idea. Not even really calling it "management" just "on call maintenance". I can still instruct the tenants to call us for any "policy related" stuff or even tenant squables or parking issues, etc. but have her make decisions on what to do and when to do it with service calls. I have a maintenance person NOW who does that and so I might use HIM for this, with a gesture stipend for being on call 24/7 and use HER for leasing (vs. my wife, because she REALLY wants to be done she's just having trouble letting it go). In fact we could even have an "hourly deal" setup with her. My wife handles leasing when she's in town, the young lady handles it when we're traveling or when we don't want to be bothered. Lots of leeway and opportunity here. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Providence, RI · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 594 votes
    8y

    If you have anything in the general area of Bridgeton, let me know.  I am looking in that general area for our personal second home. 

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