Tenant lives in a 2bed/1bath apartment. She was given two weeks to clean the place. She removed a lot of stuff, but this is the end result.She is very nice, pays like clockwork, communicates well, and never fusses. Would you renew her lease, or terminate? Why?

The biggest problem with this tenant is actually not how they maintain the property, it's when they leave. They will never be able to move all of this to their new address, and their damage deposit will never cover having to clean the place out. Heaven forbid she gets a mouse or 2 in there, because suddenly you have 300 mice. I have a hard time kicking folks out for any reason, but I let a kindly couple who hoarded food and other stuff and it took 3 weeks to haul everything out and get rid of mice. It is hard to do because there is a mental illness issue here, but clean up or get out. I hope things are going well for you other than this bud. Stay warm. It's 12 below zero here as I am typing this.

More background, and my decision.This is her third year. The unit does look better, but only because I've been on her about it. I have known many hoarders and they never get better. I know that if she stays, it will take a lot of effort to keep her under control.What if there's a maintenance issue? I can't access a lot of the space because it's so packed.What if she gets mice? It could be years before we know?She's costing me money. This is a tri-plex with a shared boiler. I pay the heating bill as part of their rent. She has so much stuff stacked against the radiators that the heat can't circulate, which is why she has electric space heaters everywhere. That increases the risk of fire.I've given her notice that we will not renew her lease. She has to be out in 90 days. I wish her well, but I don't want the additional work and risk that comes with a hoarder.

as long as its not full of rodents and bugs she just like living in a storage unit. :) Seen far worse .

I would need to know more, but based off of what you gave me--yes. I would tell her keeping the cleanliness of the house is imperative, but let them know I value them. A tenant that pays 100% of the time & never fusses, I will put up with a lot of nonsense. She's got a hoarding problem, but if she can keep it trim or if that's what you consider trim, then that's fine.

I'd keep her but keep an eye on the mess. I've got one that looks really similar, she's been there 7 years and seems to be addicted to ordering from Amazon, lol.

@Nathan Gesner it seems like all this stuff could be a lease violation in several ways (depending on how your lease is set up). I think your best option is to have the tenant get a storage unit, so that they can greatly reduce the amount of stuff they're storing at your property.A few things to consider: 1. leases often have sections describing appropriate (and inappropriate) use of the unit. Having stuff stacked to the ceiling and spilling out all over the yard seems like an inappropriate use of the property. Is it possible to add a section to your lease that specifies how much personal belongings someone can store in the unit? ...perhaps the lease could state that if the tenant exceeds that threshold, then they're required to get a storage unit? ...I have no idea whether it would be legal to have this in a lease, so you'd want to check with an attorney... but if it is legal, then that seems like a reasonable solution... 2. leases usually have sections describing cleanliness requirements, and this mess would probably be a violation...as others have mentioned, when the tenant leaves, they'll probably also leave you with a giant cleaning bill if you don't take action first...3. Perhaps most importantly, all this stuff is probably a fire hazard. Presumably, a lot of it is combustible. Plus, all this stuff lying around could easily impede ingress/egress. I would assume that the fire marshall would not be pleased if they saw this mess...Lastly, just from a common-sense perspective, if someone has so much stuff that it's stacked to the ceiling and spilling out all over the yard, then that's an unreasonable amount of stuff, and it's time for the tenant to get a storage unit (or rent a larger place).Think of it this way: If a tenant owned ten cars, you wouldn't let them park all over the yard and take up every parking space. They'd be required to pay for extra parking spaces, or buy parking spaces at some other place. If a tenant wants to have this much stuff, then they need to rent a place that's large enough to hold all the stuff, or pay for a storage unit. Simple as that.So, ultimately my suggestion is to look into whether you can design your lease such that you're able to prevent and address hoarding situations. It seems reasonable to me to say to the tenant: "This is a problem because of X, Y, Z. You need to either get a storage unit, or rent a larger space" (of course, be aware that if you rent them a larger unit, they'll likely fill it with more stuff!).Good luck out there!

Excellent suggestions. I had one of these and contacted the fire marshall, because of the fire hazard and blocking of egress. He empathized and understood, but being a private situation, he was not interested at all, not what they do. Hoarding is a protected class, as a disability, but your suggestions of having requirements for neatness/safety built into the lease sounds doable to me, with attorney help. I'll make sure to add this yet another paragraphs into my lease.

I would keep her on a couple of conditions. 1. Property management would need to complete a walkthrough every 60 days. In my experience this kind of thing can get out of hand very, very quickly.] 2. Ensure that she has renters insurance in the event that she floods or burns her place down - depending on how attached she is to her belongings she may seek reimbursement from someone (probably you). Had similar situation with a tenant, not as bad but close, and they flooded their entire unit when their child decide to throw 30 wet wipes down the toilet. We require renters insurance so the tenant was covered and they got paid out for nearly all of their stacks of clothes, dolls, trinkets, and everything else that was stacked about. It took the restorations specialist something like two weeks to catalogue all of it. A consistent, own time tenant is a valuable thing and worth accommodating most of the time and a goof landlord or property management firm knows how to walk that line.

@Nathan Gesner its the food factor. If she can't keep the food contained then the bugs and rodents can get into other units. So in an apartment if she can keep the food cleaning done and put out the trash alright. Otherwise no.

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