How do you keep your books?

How do you keep your books?

Member since 2018 · 2 posts · 0 votes

Hi guys,

Been lurking here for quite awhile and I thought it was time to tap the collective BP wisdom. I'm currently trying to find a method/platform of accounting for my 5 rental units.  I've been using Quicken, but the more I learn about accounting, the less I feel it suits my needs.  Namely, the absence of a ledger and debits/credits, and the way it organizes accounts.  Rather than having the main account types (Assets, Liabilities, Income, Expenses, Equity), Quicken seems to have some pre-set account types like "Checking", which is just an asset, or "Line of Credit", which would just be a liability.  I discovered Wave, which I like the layout of much better, and it has ledger where you can enter transactions in the dr/cr format.  It's also free which is a plus.  I'm considering switching over to it from Quicken, but I'm hesitant to jump into anything because ideally I'll use it for years to come.  So based on all that, here are my questions:

1. Has anyone had experience with Wave? What do you think of it? Being that it's 100% on the cloud, have you had any issues with accessing it or backing up your data?

2. This is more of a general accounting question: Do you use accrual or cash basis accounting for your business?  I'm only managing 5 rental units, not dealing with flips or anything more complex.  So for the most part, using cash basis seems like the easiest method for me.  But what are the scenarios in which a landlord might need to use the accrual basis? For example, would rent recorded under the accrual basis be "deferred revenue" since rent is essentially pre-paid for the month?  This seems like an unnecessarily cumbersome way to keep track of rent payments, and I'm struggling to see why I wouldn't just use the cash basis and recognize the money when it comes in.

Any input or resources are most welcome.

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  • Bjorn AhlbladPro Member
    Investor · Shelton, WA · Member since 2017 · 6k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    6y

    @Ry Dill I am a minimalist. Anything incoming is recorded by the bank (security deposit is not revenue, last month's rent is revenue). Anything paid out is on my CC statement or recorded on a bank statement. I keep personal and business separate. I produce a statement for my CPA at tax time. Works for me with 20 units.

  • Investor · Apex, NC · Member since 2018 · 253 posts · 215 votes
    6y

    @Ry Dill this is a tough question that is heavily based on personal preference. Some folks like the robust approach of a Quickbooks for their personal properties, whereas others get by on a spreadsheet. Both can work if they support the workflow you're most comfortable with.

    Somewhere in between roll-your-own-spreadsheets and Quickbooks is something like Stessa. It's a lighter weight financial tracker specific to real estate. You may want to take a look at that if you're already exploring Wave (which I don't have any experience with).

    Regarding cash vs. accrual, I've always used cash for its simplicity and get the sense that's the default for most individual owners. Simplicity is king!

  • Ahad AliPro Member
    CPA/Investor · Bronx, NY · Member since 2018 · 236 posts · 45 votes
    6y

    Hard to answer all your questions without knowing specific needs and goals. As a CPA, I advise my clients after getting to know their situation and plans better. I suggest you speak with a CPA to figure out which route to take. Happy to offer some remote assistance if needed. Might be useful to have a short consultation and even a lesson on new software, then you can be on your own with keeping books. 

  • Bill HamptonBusiness Member
    Accredited Investment Fiduciary, AIF®, Financial Planner, Tax Strategist, Real Estate Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2012 · 2k+ posts · 979 votes
    6y

    Check out www.stessa.com 

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  • Accountant · Atlanta · Member since 2020 · 71 posts · 38 votes
    6y

    @Ry Dillundefined

    That's an excellent questions. The accrual bases is helpful when you have lots of receivables and payable outstanding. Most small business owners use cash bases. 

    In reference to the software. Most software can do the job but how well it functions is mostly based on the users knowledge software and utilities is provides. For example QBO offers Real estate chart of accounts if you select that industry when setting up. Let me know if you have any further questions. 

    Thanks, 

    Kevin De Vargas, CPA
     

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