Real Estate vs. Low Cost ETF - ACTUAL returns from my portfolio

Real Estate vs. Low Cost ETF - ACTUAL returns from my portfolio

Rental Property Investor · Hummelstown, PA · Member since 2015 · 638 posts · 653 votes

I've been tracking every dollar in and out of my REI activities for the past few years and decided to back-test the numbers to answer the question: What if I would have put all those investment dollars into a super passive, super low cost index fund such as SPY?

Here's the graph, with explanations and assumptions below (for the personal finance geeks):

REI Total Return - 3 years:

Cash Flow: $25K

Debt Paydown: $26K

Forced Appreciation: $50K

Market Appreciation: $30K

TOTAL Return: $131K return divided by $215K principle = 61%

SPY Modeled Return - 3 years:

TOTAL Return: $38K return divided by $215K principle = 17.6%

Definitions:

  • Principle - defined as the total money left in the deal. For example, if I bought a $100K property with a 20% down payment and $5K in closing costs, then my total money in the deal would be $25K. This calculation get's a little more complicated for BRRRR's. Let's say through the buy and rehab, including closing costs, I'm all in for $82K, and I get $76K back. My principle in this scenario would be $6K.
  • Cumulative cash flow - Total cash flow for this time period (Total Income minus total expenses, including PITI)
  • Debt paydown - Initial debt balance at purchase minus current debt balance
  • Market appreciation - an increase in appraised value without extensive rehab. These were properties that I obtained HELOC's and re-appraised for more than I paid for them. For example, if I purchased for $100K and it appraised for $105K at a later date, I logged that as "market appreciation" of $5K.
  • Forced appreciation - a property appraised for more than I paid for it after extensive rehab (a.k.a. BRRRR). Using the example above, if I'm all in for $82K and the property appraises for $100K, then my forced appreciation is $18K.

Assumptions:

  • To create the Hypothetical SPY graph, I modeled what would happen if I invested the exact same principle with the exact same timing into SPY instead of into a property. Every time you see the principle increase, it means I bought a property that month. You will see the impact of the market tank at the end of 2018.
  • The Historical SPY graph is similar but assumes that SPY goes up at a consistent (and in my opinion, generous) 10% annual rate.
  • I only count appreciation if I have a new appraisal. This is conservative. Some of my properties have probably gained market value in the last few years since I bought but I don't want to make that assumption in this analysis until I have a new appraisal.
  • Taxes have NOT been taken into account, but I think you all know that real estate beats the stock market hands down in this category.

My biggest takeaway is that you need appreciation to achieve outstanding returns in real estate. We focus so much on cash flow - which I think we should, for many reasons - but I think it's also important to be in a market that has good appreciation prospects AND/OR force appreciation through BRRRR's.

Also, BRRRR is clearly the superior buy and hold strategy. I started doing them about a year ago which is where you see my forced appreciation really shoot up in 2018. Plus the amount of principle is drastically reduced.

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  • Financial Advisor · Virginia Beach, VA · Member since 2017 · 502 posts · 508 votes
    7y
    Interesting analysis. I like threads like this. I hope it generates more discussion.  One comment jumped out at me:

    Originally posted by @Kyle McCorkel:
    • Taxes have NOT been taken into account, but I think you all know that real estate beats the stock market hands down in this category.

    I am not sure how you came to the conclusion that real estate gets favorable tax treatment as compared to equity investing.  Holding SPY for the time period indicated would have resulted in qualified dividends and/or capital gains; all taxed at the long term capital gains rate. (Assuming a tax-qualified account was not used. If it was, there could have been tax deductions for the contributions, tax-deferred growth, and/or zero taxes on the back end.)

    If you're renting, real estate generates rents (ordinary tax rates), unrecaptured section 1250 gains (up to 25%), and capital gains.  If you're flipping, real estate generates ordinary income, self-employment taxes, and taxes on S-corp profits. You could conceivably run this level of real estate investing through a tax-qualified account, but it is less likely (and at the least, self-directed accounts that allow you to invest in RE add costs and complexity). 

    Taxes on real estate investing are generally better than taxes on wages, but I am not seeing real estate investing getting preferential tax treatment over equity investing. You may get the QBI deduction, but I don't think that will close the tax gap. (Although, I have not run the numbers...)

    Part 2:

    You have compared a very active investment to a very passive investment. (Stating an observation, not criticizing your method.) It might be interesting (or, I should say - I would be interested) to compare passive RE investing to passive equity investing, and active vs active.  

    Good stuff. 

    Best of Luck with Your Real Estate Investing!  

  • Rental Property Investor · Hummelstown, PA · Member since 2015 · 638 posts · 653 votes
    7y

    @Paul Allen

    Thanks for your thoughtful response! I was hoping to get more input after preparing these numbers but I suppose people are more interested in the threads about the when the next real estate crash will be, or the latest real estate scam :)

    I'm by no means a tax expert - but I always had the understanding that through the use of depreciation and 1031 exchanges one could defer taxes almost indefinitely.  For example, our ~$24K of cash flow has been 100% income tax free plus we had an additional $39K of paper losses to offset other income.  Holding property has been extremely beneficial to reducing our tax burden...but I do understand things can get more complicated on the sale of the property if you aren't utilizing a 1031 exchange.

    I totally agree about your comment regarding passive vs. active. For that reason my portfolio returns of ~20% per year are actually disappointing to me. When I consider my time commitment to real estate investing, I really want a 50%+ return per year (which I think I can achieve through adding value through BRRRR's).

  • Brookline, MA · Member since 2017 · 8 posts · 2 votes
    7y

    Hey Kyle, great post and something that I have been putting a lot of thought into recently. 

    I do have one question though, and it might be kind of long so I will try to use easy number. Lets say the following is true (also these numbers are indicative of my current situation):

    -Purchase price/Property type: $300k for a 3 unit (3 bedroom/1 bathroom each). 

    -Financing: Purchasing w/ FHA financing. Approx $11k down (excluding closing costs). Comes to about $2400 in Mortgage/PMI/Tax/Insurance

    -Rent: $1300/unit is middle of the road for this type of property. Gross rent $2600 while living in the property and $3900 after moving out (not accounting for vacancy rate). 

    -Again, rough numbers, but as you can see this should work out to cash flow pretty decently. This leads me to my actual question...

    If all of the numbers are true AND we assume that the house does not appreciate, then with an $11k initial investment and holding for the entirety of the 30 year mortgage, the property would have cash flowed $180k (based on $500/mo cash flow average) and would hopefully still be worth the $300k, but lets say that I made a bad choice and overtime the market I am in goes down 30% and the house is worth $210k.

    All in all, my initial $11k investment would now be worth around $400k after the 30 year life of the mortgage (assuming I save cashflow and sell at $210k). Again, not accounting for other expenses and vacancy, but just using rough numbers. 

    Wouldn't this be better than putting $11k into a low cost index fun (assuming 8% interest rate) which would be worth around $111k after the same 30 years? Even though the property in this example did not appreciate, the return on my initial investment seems far superior with the investment in real estate. 

    Apologies for the drawn out question, but looking forward to your thoughts here. 

  • Brookline, MA · Member since 2017 · 8 posts · 2 votes
    7y
  • Rental Property Investor · Hummelstown, PA · Member since 2015 · 638 posts · 653 votes
    7y

    @Andy Grabis

    I think your logic is totally correct, and I also like that you are asking yourself "what is the absolutely worst case situation?"

    The impact of debt paydown can't be ignored.  It is pretty small for the first several years of ownership but every single month your principle paydown goes up a little bit.  Add multiple properties and the effect is even more.

    I have almost $1M in mortgage debt but my debt paydown rate per month is almost $1500.  Keep tons of cash reserves and chill out, and let your tenants pay down that debt.

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