Silent Investor Problems

Silent Investor Problems

Investor · Ottawa, Ontario · Member since 2011 · 20 posts · 0 votes

Hi all,

I've got a bit of an issue and would like to see if anyone has any advice for me. I made the mistake of investing with a family member and this person now wants to pull out of the deal after 3 years. We had agreed that this was an option all along so we have to find a way to make it work now. Basically, we purchased a SFH 3 years ago and this person contributed cash for a 20% share of the property. Everything has been done informally and the home is in my name and she's done nothing other than send the cash. So basically, she put $21k cash in, I put the rest to get to the min down and then I mortgaged the rest. These are my calculations (rough estimate) on how to buy her out:

Partners's initial investment: $21,400 cash

20% of appreciation based on $175,000 estimated value of home today: $175,000-$107,000 (purchase + expenses) = $68,000*20% = investor's share $13,500

So partner's current equity in the property is $34900

In order to take cash out of the property/refinance, there are expenses:

$2400 legal, appraisal and other bank fees

$ 4000 penalty to take cash out and refinance

25% capitals gains will also be charged to us when we eventually sell the property. If we were to sell today we would pay 25% of the $68,000 appreciation above. This is an additional tax of approx. $3400 on her share of appreciation.

Total expenses to pull cash out of the house is: $9800

Total appreciation minus expenses is $3800 

Total that we would pay to investor is: $21400+ $3800

HOWEVER, the mortgage penalty is not strictly her fault as she didn't have any part of the mortgage.  I'm not sure if any of these expenses should be allocated to her.  Basically, if she had not chosen to take her cash out, we wouldn't be having to pay this.

Anyone know how a more formal agreement would have been structured?

Thanks in advance!

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  • Investor/Landlord · Farmington Hills, MI · Member since 2011 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    @Richard York, do you have any notes from when you asked for the money? What did you promise? Did you have any discussions on how value would be determined or how expenses would be allocated? What does your partner expect? The return you detail above is not that great. It may be prudent to ask your partner what they expect and give it rather than risking a dispute with a family member that may result in hard feelings for years.  

    A formal agreement could have been just about anything that made sense to the two of you.

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    Investor · Santa Rosa, CA · Member since 2012 · 2k+ posts · 7k+ votes
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    @Richard York, a more formal, properly drafted agreement likely would have said that the investor has the option of being liquidated at any time after the 36th month of the hold period, provided that the cost to refinance the property to facilitate the distribution is deducted from the investor's proceeds, and provided that it's actually possible to obtain cash-out refinancing (if the value declined or was flat it wouldn't be possible).

    It would also provide for a mechanism in which to establish value. This is commonly done by providing that the value is whatever the two parties agree, and if the parties cannot agree, three appraisals will be obtained.  One appraiser to be selected by one party, the other appraiser selected by the other party, and the third appraiser is chosen by the two appraisers. You then say that the value will be the highest, lowest, middle, or average of all appraisals.  This is costly, so it motivates the two parties to just agree on a value without appraisals.

  • Investor · Cleveland, OH · Member since 2015 · 6k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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    @Richard York, from the Bank's perspective, can't you just re-fi the required $26,175.00 equity from the investment ($34,900 less 25%)? The mortgage is already in your name alone. Just need her to quit-claim to you? 

    You can hardly complain, seeing as it was always likely to head this way at some point. Am I missing something?...

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