Unison closed deal 2-family in Brooklyn

Unison closed deal 2-family in Brooklyn

Jason LeePro Member
Real Estate Agent · New York, NY · Member since 2015 · 401 posts · 235 votes

There have been several threads started here by folks asking questions about Unison but no responses from anyone that’s actually used the program. Just closed a deal in Brooklyn representing buyers using the Unison Home Buyer program and figured I’d share the experience.

Unison is a real estate equity sharing investment company. There are several similar companies but Unison is the largest and has been around the longest. Basically, they will provide a portion of the down payment in exchange for a percentage of future appreciation. If prices go down they will also share in a loss. Because they are co-investing and it’s not a loan, there are no additional principal or interest payments, so their contribution doesn’t affect your monthly payment or debt-to-income. Unison gets 3.5% of future appreciation for every 1% of down payment they provide and they will provide up to 20%. They also take a transaction fee of 2.5% of the amount they provide at closing. NYC buyers will also have to pay 1.8% mortgage recording tax on the Unison down payment amount (even though it’s not a mortgage). If prices go up a lot they could make out with up to 70% of the appreciation (if you do the max 20% down payment). The most they’ll invest is 500k. If prices go down a lot they could lose the entire amount of their contribution. They take a second lien position to cover their co-investment.

They will only invest in owner occupied SFH, condo, or two family (so you can house hack). They will not invest in 3-4 family, co-op, or land lease. They won't give you credit for capital improvements made within the first 3 years and so you can't really flip. After 3 years you can get a renovation adjustment so you get credit for improvements. They work in 30 states but each specific address must be approved through their local lender partners. Approval happens pretty quickly. Not sure how they do it but I'd guess it's by zip code, ppsf, and number of rooms. All the addresses I've sent them in Manhattan and Brooklyn were approved and I'm guessing you'll have a much easier time in high appreciation areas. If you sell within the first 3 years Unison will not share in any loss. You can sell anytime after that but the program only runs for 30 years and if you don't sell by then you must pay them back their initial investment plus the share of the appreciation (based off an appraisal).

The program and all underwriting is done through local lenders that have partnered with Unison. They have two that work in NYC (a fairly large regional bank, and a well known mortgage broker). Each lender has a specific loan officer that specializes in working with Unison and you have to work with that person. As long as Unison approves the address, and the buyer and property pass underwriting by the lender, then Unison will co-invest. The process was very smooth and not much different than the typical sale. You do have to educate everyone involved as most are initially skeptical (selling agent, seller, buyer attorney, seller attorney, etc). In a competitive bidding situation I can see where an offer that includes Unison could put a buyer at a disadvantage just because no one’s ever heard of it.

My clients bought a 2 family in Brooklyn. They put down 10% and Unison contributed over 300k. My clients would not have been able to buy this particular house without Unison as their debt-to-income with just 10% down would have been slightly too high to get a mortgage and they didn’t have enough liquid to increase the down payment to move the needle and certainly not another 300k. The contribution from Unison also improves the cash flow on the rental unit by quite a bit, and they don’t have to share any of the rental income with Unison. In the end, the Unison investment made the house much more affordable for them and gets them much better rental income. In return they are giving up a huge percentage of future appreciation but my clients feel the market is at a peak in this part of Brooklyn, with slow to no appreciation for the foreseeable future, and so they’re fine with the large split. This program is definitely not for everyone but it can work really well for those that aren’t that liquid or don’t want to increase their debt.

Let me know if you have any specific questions and I’ll do my best to answer. Please feel free to PM.

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Insurance Agent · Bayside, NY · Member since 2013 · 25 posts · 7 votes
7y

@Jason Lee 

That’s why I asked if you knew anything about the appraisal. If they are discounting the value of the property from the start, that means you owe them an artificially inflated amount later. That will give a false rise in equity, a portion of which they can claim later on. 

Nonetheless, I think this is an interesting concept and will help a lot people achieve the goal of home ownership.  However, I would get an independent appraisal and not rely on their numbers. Buyers beware. 

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  • Insurance Agent · Bayside, NY · Member since 2013 · 25 posts · 7 votes
    7y

    @Jason Lee Thank you for your insight on Unison.  

    Can you repay the loan amount at any given time? What’s the penalty, if any?

    Can you share your experience on the appraisal? Did they come in lower or right on point with the FMV?

  • Jason LeePro Member
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    Real Estate Agent · New York, NY · Member since 2015 · 401 posts · 235 votes
    7y

    @Alyn Shek FYI it's not a "loan," but you can repay the amount at any time. If it's before 3 years they will not share in any loss. If you sell, they will go by the contract price. If you just want to buy them out they will go by a third-party appraisal to determine market value. Not sure how the appraiser is assigned in that case. For our purchase the appraisal was assigned by the lender and Unison was not involved at all.

  • Insurance Agent · Bayside, NY · Member since 2013 · 25 posts · 7 votes
    7y

    @Jason Lee Thanks for the clarification. 

    It's a very interesting model to say the lease. Can anyone chime in on their personal experience with Unison?  

    Here's my few takeaways from my limited research. 

    1. They make 3.9% upfront on the money

    2. The appraisal comes in lower than FMV (complaints found online)

    3. 3 year anniversary to repay the loan

  • Jason LeePro Member
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    Real Estate Agent · New York, NY · Member since 2015 · 401 posts · 235 votes
    7y

    @Alyn Shek your takeaways are all incorrect.

    1. They make 3.5% upfront.

    2. If you want to sell before 30 years and the appraisal comes in lower than FMV they make less money and you make more.

    3. You have 30 years to repay.

  • Insurance Agent · Bayside, NY · Member since 2013 · 25 posts · 7 votes
    7y

    @Jason Lee 

    That’s why I asked if you knew anything about the appraisal. If they are discounting the value of the property from the start, that means you owe them an artificially inflated amount later. That will give a false rise in equity, a portion of which they can claim later on. 

    Nonetheless, I think this is an interesting concept and will help a lot people achieve the goal of home ownership.  However, I would get an independent appraisal and not rely on their numbers. Buyers beware. 

  • Jason LeePro Member
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    Real Estate Agent · New York, NY · Member since 2015 · 401 posts · 235 votes
    7y

    @Alyn Shek on purchase the appraisal is assigned by the bank. Unison has nothing to do with the appraisal and they don't have "their numbers." They rely entirely on the bank or mortgage broker for underwriting. Our appraisal actually came in above the contract sale price. 

  • Real Estate Professional · New York, NY · Member since 2017 · 33 posts · 11 votes
    7y

    @Jason Lee just curious did the co-investment impact the interest rate on the loan? as banks do factor equity investments on the down payment when pricing the loan? From your experience did it impact the buyer, in other words would the rate have differed much for him/her if all else was same but scenario 1 - no unison down payment scenario 2 - co-investment by unison.

  • Jason LeePro Member
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    Real Estate Agent · New York, NY · Member since 2015 · 401 posts · 235 votes
    7y

    @Nima S. There was no impact on the rate that I saw. It looked very competitive even though you're locked into only a couple of lenders.

  • Real Estate Professional · New York, NY · Member since 2017 · 33 posts · 11 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Jason Lee:

    @Nima S. There was no impact on the rate that I saw. It looked very competitive even though you're locked into only a couple of lenders.

    Thanks for the response. Anyway you will be able your client will be able to share their experience? I will PM you. Appreciate it.

  • Member since 2019 · 11 posts · 3 votes
    7y

    I hopped on here because I just heard of them looking for a 10% down program.  Doesn't seem like it would work for an investment property, but they do offer $$ for equity for current homeowners, I may look into that and report back.

  • Jason LeePro Member
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    Real Estate Agent · New York, NY · Member since 2015 · 401 posts · 235 votes
    7y

    @Heather Fuller The only investor option is a 2-family where you owner occupy, so it's possible to house hack. I didn't look closely at the homeowner option but I think the numbers work out in a similar way.

  • Investor · West Coast · Member since 2013 · 43 posts · 11 votes
    6y

    @here, I work for Unison company, for anyone to learn more can go visit unison.com. They have have some great calculators to try out some scenarios.

    to answer a few queries raised here.

    1. appraisal is completely done by a 3rd party system that will not have any influence over appraisal price. as HB/HO, there is several online tools to kind of cross check the price of the house approximately. if appraisal comes too much under, you can be suspicious about things.

    2. I'm looking into getting equity from my primary home using  HO program to diversify into other investments.

    3. There is minimum of 3/5 years to buy Unison out, giving the chance for investment to at-least work up/down.

    4. I heard they don't report to bureaus which can be a good thing and DTI is not affected for investments since payments are not paid month-over-month.

  • Homeowner · Anaheim, CA · Member since 2009 · 20 posts · 9 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Jason Lee:

    There have been several threads started here by folks asking questions about Unison but no responses from anyone that’s actually used the program. Just closed a deal in Brooklyn representing buyers using the Unison Home Buyer program and figured I’d share the experience.

    Unison is a real estate equity sharing investment company. There are several similar companies but Unison is the largest and has been around the longest. Basically, they will provide a portion of the down payment in exchange for a percentage of future appreciation. If prices go down they will also share in a loss. Because they are co-investing and it’s not a loan, there are no additional principal or interest payments, so their contribution doesn’t affect your monthly payment or debt-to-income. Unison gets 3.5% of future appreciation for every 1% of down payment they provide and they will provide up to 20%. They also take a transaction fee of 2.5% of the amount they provide at closing. NYC buyers will also have to pay 1.8% mortgage recording tax on the Unison down payment amount (even though it’s not a mortgage). If prices go up a lot they could make out with up to 70% of the appreciation (if you do the max 20% down payment). The most they’ll invest is 500k. If prices go down a lot they could lose the entire amount of their contribution. They take a second lien position to cover their co-investment.

    They will only invest in owner occupied SFH, condo, or two family (so you can house hack). They will not invest in 3-4 family, co-op, or land lease. They won't give you credit for capital improvements made within the first 3 years and so you can't really flip. After 3 years you can get a renovation adjustment so you get credit for improvements. They work in 30 states but each specific address must be approved through their local lender partners. Approval happens pretty quickly. Not sure how they do it but I'd guess it's by zip code, ppsf, and number of rooms. All the addresses I've sent them in Manhattan and Brooklyn were approved and I'm guessing you'll have a much easier time in high appreciation areas. If you sell within the first 3 years Unison will not share in any loss. You can sell anytime after that but the program only runs for 30 years and if you don't sell by then you must pay them back their initial investment plus the share of the appreciation (based off an appraisal).

    The program and all underwriting is done through local lenders that have partnered with Unison. They have two that work in NYC (a fairly large regional bank, and a well known mortgage broker). Each lender has a specific loan officer that specializes in working with Unison and you have to work with that person. As long as Unison approves the address, and the buyer and property pass underwriting by the lender, then Unison will co-invest. The process was very smooth and not much different than the typical sale. You do have to educate everyone involved as most are initially skeptical (selling agent, seller, buyer attorney, seller attorney, etc). In a competitive bidding situation I can see where an offer that includes Unison could put a buyer at a disadvantage just because no one’s ever heard of it.

    My clients bought a 2 family in Brooklyn. They put down 10% and Unison contributed over 300k. My clients would not have been able to buy this particular house without Unison as their debt-to-income with just 10% down would have been slightly too high to get a mortgage and they didn’t have enough liquid to increase the down payment to move the needle and certainly not another 300k. The contribution from Unison also improves the cash flow on the rental unit by quite a bit, and they don’t have to share any of the rental income with Unison. In the end, the Unison investment made the house much more affordable for them and gets them much better rental income. In return they are giving up a huge percentage of future appreciation but my clients feel the market is at a peak in this part of Brooklyn, with slow to no appreciation for the foreseeable future, and so they’re fine with the large split. This program is definitely not for everyone but it can work really well for those that aren’t that liquid or don’t want to increase their debt.

    Let me know if you have any specific questions and I’ll do my best to answer. Please feel free to PM.


    I also am interested my situation is I'm 60 yrs old and would take money from 2 of my rentals to build an ADU on my property and pay off another rental I have.

    This will greatly improve my equity on my primary residence and also improve my cash flow on rental I'm paying off.

    seems too good to be true. I will probably not live to 90 yrs old so I will never have to pay back.

    can this be done

  • Member since 2019 · 7k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    2y

    I was offered to invest into Unison's competitor. These program is actually good for investor in long term especially analyzing their appreciation models. From investor's perspective, this is like a 9% IRR long term investment. In general, the offering is almost similar if mortgage rate of 12-15% is given to buyers for 10-15 years loan. The spread of 3-6% is Unison's-like company profitability. These program is created mainly to target oldr pensioner or folks that can't access regular HELOC or banking scheme.

  • Lender · Washington DC · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    2y

    @Jason Lee there is a pricing add to rate or fee which is converted it's .5% points or .125 more in rate on any given day. Some lender shops charge more, depends on where you apply.

    The property is the most vital part. They do not loan on B or C class neighborhood to say it nicely they want excellent property that will appreciate. This might not work for some investors on BP as all improvements, permits... must be approved by them in the future. So for example you intend to add an entrance or door to divide up the configuration that's a no way... 

    I believe the reason there are numerous complaints about this model is because of valuation/appraisal. Yes an independent appraiser is chosen from a Appraisal Management Company and Unison and lender don't influence them as is normal for any conventional loan. 

    I would compare this to a reverse mortgage in a way that you get something but you give away something in return, the bank usually wins.

    This is not for fix and flip, nor rehab. 

  • Member since 2019 · 7k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    2y
    Quote from @Caroline Gerardo:

    @Jason Lee there is a pricing add to rate or fee which is converted it's .5% points or .125 more in rate on any given day. Some lender shops charge more, depends on where you apply.

    The property is the most vital part. They do not loan on B or C class neighborhood to say it nicely they want excellent property that will appreciate. This might not work for some investors on BP as all improvements, permits... must be approved by them in the future. So for example you intend to add an entrance or door to divide up the configuration that's a no way... 

    I believe the reason there are numerous complaints about this model is because of valuation/appraisal. Yes an independent appraiser is chosen from a Appraisal Management Company and Unison and lender don't influence them as is normal for any conventional loan. 

    I would compare this to a reverse mortgage in a way that you get something but you give away something in return, the bank usually wins.

    This is not for fix and flip, nor rehab. 


     Correct, as I'm investor in this side of business so I understand their primary target is high-appreciation class A/B+ in selected city only like in California that's owned by elder retiree. They would not even take a look at Detroit for example.

    You are 100% correct Unison model is reverse mortgage model or sharia-based equity-sharing mortgage program. At the end of the day the buyer of such product is the one that's losing proposition/their advantage in the long run.

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