Is this a loan or an investment?

Is this a loan or an investment?

Holland, MI · Member since 2017 · 20 posts · 0 votes

I have a private lender or investor, I am not sure what to call him, who has agreed to put 10% down for a 20% ROI paid out in 1yr intervals. I have two questions in regards to this:

1.) What type of lawyer should I get to draw out the contract and what is the estimated cost of hiring the said lawyer (I know it varies just a rough estimate would be nice.)

2.) How should this be classified is it a loan, an investment? Or even a partnership I highly doubt it would qualify as a partnership as all the lender is doing is lending the money. 

My issue with calling it a loan is it isn't calculating out interest, as it is a one time calculated 20% paid back on top of the original invested amount.

Thank you in advance for any input.

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Rental Property Investor · Mercer Island, WA · Member since 2008 · 22k+ posts · 14k+ votes
9y

Yes, that's a loan.  The loan amount is $16,000.  Payment is $3840, paid annually.  It amounts to an annual percentage rate of 2.86281%.   Great deal for you!!!

pmt # payment interest principal balance
- -       2.86281%
- $16,000
1 3480 $458 $3,022 $12,978
2 3480 $372 $3,108 $9,870
3 3480 $283 $3,197 $6,672
4 3480 $191 $3,289 $3,383
5 3480 $97 $3,383 $0
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  • Investor · United States · Member since 2015 · 415 posts · 487 votes
    9y
    Sure sounds like a loan to me. The interest amount is 20%, calculated annually, and paid annually.
  • Joe VilleneuvePro Member
    Plymouth, MI · Member since 2013 · 13k+ posts · 19k+ votes
    9y

    This is a loan, but either you haven't told us the complete set of terms, or you haven't set the rest of the terms.  Either way, it's still a loan, but depending on the terms as of yet not divulged, this is either a great opportunity...or you're holding a stick of dynamite on a short fuse.

  • Holland, MI · Member since 2017 · 20 posts · 0 votes
    9y

    @james marshall

    I was only going to calculate the 20% 1 time. Let me throw in my numbers and see if you still feel that it is a loan. So the initial investment is 16,000 so I plan to repay the 16,000 + 20% for a total of 19,200 broken down into 5payments spreadout across 5yrs with each payment being 3840. Would this still be considered a loan although the interest is only calculated that one time and never again during the life of the loan?

  • Rental Property Investor · Mercer Island, WA · Member since 2008 · 22k+ posts · 14k+ votes
    9y

    Yes, that's a loan.  The loan amount is $16,000.  Payment is $3840, paid annually.  It amounts to an annual percentage rate of 2.86281%.   Great deal for you!!!

    pmt # payment interest principal balance
    - -       2.86281%
    - $16,000
    1 3480 $458 $3,022 $12,978
    2 3480 $372 $3,108 $9,870
    3 3480 $283 $3,197 $6,672
    4 3480 $191 $3,289 $3,383
    5 3480 $97 $3,383 $0
  • Holland, MI · Member since 2017 · 20 posts · 0 votes
    9y

    @Joe Villeneuve

    I guess I have yet to cover the rest of the terms.

  • Holland, MI · Member since 2017 · 20 posts · 0 votes
    9y

    @Jon Holdman

    How did you calculate the annual interest rate? Thank you that was very helpful.

  • Joe VilleneuvePro Member
    Plymouth, MI · Member since 2013 · 13k+ posts · 19k+ votes
    9y

    Another way of looking at this is as a 0% interest loan, but with 20 points, paid back in 5 equal annual payments.

    Is his loan tied directly to the property, as in is it collateralized by the property, or is it a straight loan to you...or your business?

    That would mean this is really only a 4% simple interest loan.

  • Rental Property Investor · Mercer Island, WA · Member since 2008 · 22k+ posts · 14k+ votes
    9y

    Excel has a "Rate" function.  RATE(5,-3480,16000)=2.86281%.  I then double checked by creating the amortization table.

  • Holland, MI · Member since 2017 · 20 posts · 0 votes
    9y

    @Joe Villeneuve The loan is directly to me. How do you figure the loan is a 4% flat rate instead of the 2.86...% that Jon was saying it is? I don't understand how you came to that conclusion.

  • Joe VilleneuvePro Member
    Plymouth, MI · Member since 2013 · 13k+ posts · 19k+ votes
    9y

    Jon was correct in his because he was calculating it as a 30 year amortization of compound interest

    Mine is based on it being simple interest applied at the beginning then equal payments made until payoff.

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