Partnering with your own self directed IRA to purchase land

Partnering with your own self directed IRA to purchase land

Oxford, MA · Member since 2016 · 15 posts · 0 votes

Hello everyone,

Knowing that these can be very muddy waters at times, my wife and I have been struggling through the IRA real estate investment information available on the internet. It is plentiful, but not sure, sometimes, if what we read is true. We have read on a few occasions that it is possible to partner with your own SDIRA (by adding personal non tax free/deferred funds) in order to come up with the total needed to buy a piece of real estate. This money would still be separate, ex. 50 % paid with check from IRA and 50% paid with check from my checking account. Moving forward everything would again stay separate. Does anyone have knowledge or experience with this?

Thank you and everyone for sharing their experiences, ideas and knowledge on this site.

Eric 

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  • Professional · Carlsbad, CA · Member since 2012 · 12k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    @Eric Tomlin

    There are a couple of ways to invest both your personal and IRA funds in real estate.

    Invest in Real Estate Under a Tenancy in Common (TIC)

    Under this method, title is taken in both the IRA owner's name and in the name of his or her IRA. Following is an example on how title to the property is taken assuming the name of IRA owner's name is Jim Brown.

    Example: 30/70 split between Jim Brown and his IRA

    How the property purchase is recorded: Jim Brown, an undivided 30% interest and IRA Services Trust Company CFBO Jim Brown , an undivided 70% interest.

    Compliance Notes

    • The percentage of ownership is determined by how much funds each party invests at time of real estate purchase.
    • All expenses and income are shared based on the ownership percentages.
    • No debt financing can be incorporate under a tenancy in common (TIC) transaction; otherwise, the transaction will be deemed a prohibited transaction. 
    • The property may not be purchased from or sold to a disqualified party (e.g., the IRA participant, his or her parents, children, to name few).
    • The IRA participant is not allowed to use the property for personal use.

    Invest in Real Estate Using a LLC

    • When both the IRA participant (in this example Jim Brown) and his IRA pool their funds and invest in an LLC for the purpose of investing in real estate, title to the property is taken in the name of the LLC.
    • For example, if the name of the LLC is Buckeyes LLC, title on the deed would read Buckeyes LLC.
    • Just like above, the LLC cannot obtain a loan and the IRA participant and other disqualified individuals are prohibited from using the LLC owned property for personal use.
  • Rental Property Investor · Gainesville, FL · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 432 votes
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    Originally posted by @Mark Nolan:

    @Eric Tomlin

    There are a couple of ways to invest both your personal and IRA funds in real estate.

    Invest in Real Estate Under a Tenancy in Common (TIC)

    Under this method, title is taken in both the IRA owner's name and in the name of his or her IRA. Following is an example on how title to the property is taken assuming the name of IRA owner's name is Jim Brown.

    Example: 30/70 split between Jim Brown and his IRA

    How the property purchase is recorded: Jim Brown, an undivided 30% interest and IRA Services Trust Company CFBO Jim Brown , an undivided 70% interest.

    Compliance Notes

    • The percentage of ownership is determined by how much funds each party invests at time of real estate purchase.
    • All expenses and income are shared based on the ownership percentages.
    • No debt financing can be incorporate under a tenancy in common (TIC) transaction; otherwise, the transaction will be deemed a prohibited transaction. 
    • The property may not be purchased from or sold to a disqualified party (e.g., the IRA participant, his or her parents, children, to name few).
    • The IRA participant is not allowed to use the property for personal use.

    Invest in Real Estate Using a LLC

    • When both the IRA participant (in this example Jim Brown) and his IRA pool their funds and invest in an LLC for the purpose of investing in real estate, title to the property is taken in the name of the LLC.
    • For example, if the name of the LLC is Buckeyes LLC, title on the deed would read Buckeyes LLC.
    • Just like above, the LLC cannot obtain a loan and the IRA participant and other disqualified individuals are prohibited from using the LLC owned property for personal use.

    I understand the property cannot be purchased or sold to a disqualified person. However, can the property be sold to a "friend" who then deeds/sells back to the person? 

  • Brian EastmanPro Member
    Self Directed IRA & 401k Advisor · Wenatchee, WA · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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    @Daria B.

    That cannot be done. The friend would be viewed as a "straw man" by the IRS, and they would see this as a transaction between the IRA and the disqualified party.

    @Eric Tomlin

    The strategies outlined above are an interpretation that is largely accepted within the tax planning community.  They are not, however, something that the IRS rules specifically outline or condone, and there is not much in the way of case law to lean on here. 

    There are several ways that such a transaction could still be viewed as prohibited by the IRS, such as if either party to the transaction did not have sufficient capital to execute the deal on its own, and was therefore being enabled to engage in the transaction due to access to the disqualified party funds.  

    A LLC created in partnership between yourself and your IRA would need to file partnership tax returns at both the state and the federal level. The IRA would not have a tax liability for the K-1 income it receives, but the partnership itself may be taxed in certain states.

    Bottom line is that this is an area where advice provided over the internet is worth exactly what you paid for it.  I strongly recommend you discuss such a strategy with a tax attorney or CPA who is specifically familiar with ERISA tax law before considering such a strategy.

  • Rental Property Investor · Gainesville, FL · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 432 votes
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    Originally posted by @Brian Eastman:

    @Daria B.

    That cannot be done. The friend would be viewed as a "straw man" by the IRS, and they would see this as a transaction between the IRA and the disqualified party.

    @Eric Tomlin

    The strategies outlined above are an interpretation that is largely accepted within the tax planning community.  They are not, however, something that the IRS rules specifically outline or condone, and there is not much in the way of case law to lean on here. 

    There are several ways that such a transaction could still be viewed as prohibited by the IRS, such as if either party to the transaction did not have sufficient capital to execute the deal on its own, and was therefore being enabled to engage in the transaction due to access to the disqualified party funds.  

    A LLC created in partnership between yourself and your IRA would need to file partnership tax returns at both the state and the federal level. The IRA would not have a tax liability for the K-1 income it receives, but the partnership itself may be taxed in certain states.

    Bottom line is that this is an area where advice provided over the internet is worth exactly what you paid for it.  I strongly recommend you discuss such a strategy with a tax attorney or CPA who is specifically familiar with ERISA tax law before considering such a strategy.

    Thank you Brian for answering.  

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