On Building Leverage for multiple properties while working on credit.

On Building Leverage for multiple properties while working on credit.

Ft Myers Beach, FL · Member since 2013 · 53 posts · 11 votes
Good morning.Wishing you all a great day and an awesome weekend. Looking forward to working with Biggerpockets and building a great relationship with others in the BP community. Just wanted to know a little more about some financing options.

What I would like to do is work on leveraging some capital I already have, in order to purchase a certain amount of investment properties and continue to build a better cash flow and stronger portfolio. I'm sure you are familiar with what I am trying to accomplish here.

The terms of conventional financing would work great for me, such as 30 year terms on a specific loan amount. Under the present circumstances, while I continue to rebuild my credit seems like the HML's terms are kinda of short. I understand a Lil about risks and quick turn around on making your interest in a short period of time.

Let me give you a Lil example and what I am trying to work on.

I know a 30 year loan at a fixed rate for $1MIL would be around $5600-5900 a month. A loan with the same terms at half the amount of $500k would run about $3000-3500 a month. Those terms would work incredibly well, especially with a great credit score, which I'm currently working on.

I'm looking to purchase about 10 properties or less in areas with an excellent market for high rents. Those properties tend to cost much more to purchase. Ive seen one multifamily unit and even just a single family property in an excellent market area bring in as much as $3500-5000K a month. Times that by so many properties and I know you get the bigger picture.

I know all in time with patience, it can be done and I'm determined incredibly to execute this goal. Any ideas or options anyone can offer or probably create to make such a plan come to pass? Possibly someone else who can make it happen you highly recommend that maybe you guys/gals work with also?Thanks. I appreciate your time.

Gratefully,

Ozzy
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  • Realtor · Springfield, IL · Member since 2009 · 17 posts · 13 votes
    12y

    Hi Ozzy. Welcome to Biggerpockets! You are better off trying to buy a few properties contract for deed first. Or partnering with a more experienced investor in your area. Get your feet wet in the business a little. And you need to talk to some bankers in your area to see what they are offering. In most areas that I am familiar with, 30 year mortgages are far and few between for investment properties, unless you are looking at large multi-family units. 4-plexes, 6-plexes, etc. don't count. I got 30 year terms on my first few properties. But all the following numbers depend on the property, the bank, and you. So, you are looking at a 10-20 year term instead. And even shorter for hard money. Additionally, you will typically pay 1 to 1.5% higher interest rates. So if interest for residential is 3% for 15 years, you will pay 4.5% (even with great credit). You will pay 10-24% for hard money, plus points. You will pay property taxes, which in Illinois is higher if it is not occupied by the owner. You will also pay insurance, property up keep, utilities, plus figure for vacancies. The big picture now gets smaller. And if you pay too much for the property without considering the shorter terms, high rates, and hidden costs of rental ownership....your big picture is VERY Red... as in bankrupt. Everything looks good in simple math with round estimated numbers. Hard numbers is where the truth is at. I would also recommend having another investor (even here on BP) review a few deals before you sign a contract just so you are safe. Read a few books on real estate too. The Millionaire Real Estate Investor is one of my favorites. Good luck and glad to meet you.

  • Ft Myers Beach, FL · Member since 2013 · 53 posts · 11 votes
    12y

    HI Greg.

    Thanks a million for taking out the time to provide some really important info I needed. Incredibly grateful for it. Definitely going to get the book too. Is it the one by Gary Keller? I believe he also founded Keller Williams Realty. They have done well so far too. Ive gone and am still going through quite a few books. I know this one should be a Jewel.

    I like the idea of just a few properties at a time. Was going to be one of my first steps. Maybe buy one cash, then use the asset to possibly obtain another investment loan to build some leverage. My credit is in the process of being rebuilt so conventional or traditional lending wont work for me right now. It will probably take about a year or so to recover. I know for sure. I have the capital though to work with and get started. Especially rehabbing and flipping. I also was a Painting and Design contractor so I'm pretty handy and have time and lots of elbow grease to work with.

    I'm kinda weary of partners cause who do you trust nowadays. I'm willing to work with someone, but I have already owned two businesses and had to shut down two of them because of partners. One actually moved away to San Francisco for personal reasons, which I can understand. The other decided Contracting and Construction was not for them after all they saw was required and the amount of work it took to build and compete in the Construction Industry. Especially with all the underbidding on projects taking place. It takes more than one person to run a business. It takes a team. Looking forward to building one slowly in the very near future. A trustworthy one. Where all of us can make an awesome living from and a good friendship, or too, as well as help others in the process that we can help.

    Haven't been fortunate enough to find investors in my area that are looking for someone to partner with. Kinda weird down here. Everyone seems like their on a solo trip. Flying solo. Its been a little like pulling teeth to get a foot in the door or work with anyone. Everyone is just snatching everything they can get their hands on, leaving the absolute worst for the newbie start up guy. Its not like I won the Lotto, but I have done enough research to know realistically how much i would definitely need to at least get started in the REI Arena.

    Finally, incredible thanks for bringing up the hard numbers. Your absolutley right. Especially the Red ones. Excellent point. The numbers that matter after all is said and done. That what I'm all about. What exactly has been made after the deal has been done and what is being produced in the long run.

    Thanks again Greg.

    Great meeting you too.

    Gratefully,

    Ozzy

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