Financing without kitchen/baths

Financing without kitchen/baths

Matthews, NC · Member since 2013 · 7 posts · 5 votes

Thank you in advance to all the biggerpockets members.  I've been lurking here for years and have learned a lot. 

Looks like I will be under contract this week on a property and having a bit of trouble understanding what direction I should go in for financing.  The property is a distress sell (ugly divorce) that I was able to grab before it went on the market.  The couple recently "gutted" the house in preparation for a full interior renovation.  This property is a deep water home overlooking a marina and  may become our primary residence.

All renovations are cosmetic and I intend to do most work myself.  I'm an engineer with construction and project management experience and have renovated my own home and a flip.  I have the funds for a healthy down payment and renovation costs, but know it will be a challenge to finance the purchase without a working kitchen or bathrooms.

So my question: Is there a conventional way to finance this without renovation costs included, can I use a Fannie HomeStyle or FHA 203K without using they're funds (or very little) towards the renovations? Is there some combination I'm not aware of? Seems like I could finance the purchase and ~$10k of the renovations (to be done by a contractor) and do the rest of the renovation myself and out of my own pocket. Not sure how to handle this with the lender as they don't seem to understand my needs. Should I just be looking at HML to get this done quickly and refinance?

The numbers on this should be the easy part.  My credit and income make this deal easy.  After renovation the property should be worth $150k more than purchase+renovation.  I'll end up with 60+% equity at the end of the day.  The basic problem here is financing without a kitchen.

Thank you for any advice you can give.  I have searched and found little to explain how the 203k inspection, valuation, loan value, etc. work and if there is a way to borrow far less than the renovation is going to cost.

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Daniel DietzPro Member
Rental Property Investor · Reedsburg, WI · Member since 2011 · 1k+ posts · 857 votes
10y

Have you checked with small local banks to you?

My daughter just bought a short sale home that did not have a conforming septic system so could not get a 'conventional loan'. She is also finishing the basement that is just bare right now. She went to our local independent bank that we have both used for years. They were more than happy to give her an 'in house ARM' based on the AFTER renovation value that she will refinance in the spring when the septic does in and the basement is finished.

The numbers on her's were similar in that the ARV will be about 185K - 195K, her purchase was about 122K and fix up cost of about 25K doing most work herself. She DID need to get a quote from a local contractor in case she was not able to get it done herself.

Good Luck, Dan Dietz

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  • Daniel DietzPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Reedsburg, WI · Member since 2011 · 1k+ posts · 857 votes
    10y

    Have you checked with small local banks to you?

    My daughter just bought a short sale home that did not have a conforming septic system so could not get a 'conventional loan'. She is also finishing the basement that is just bare right now. She went to our local independent bank that we have both used for years. They were more than happy to give her an 'in house ARM' based on the AFTER renovation value that she will refinance in the spring when the septic does in and the basement is finished.

    The numbers on her's were similar in that the ARV will be about 185K - 195K, her purchase was about 122K and fix up cost of about 25K doing most work herself. She DID need to get a quote from a local contractor in case she was not able to get it done herself.

    Good Luck, Dan Dietz

  • Matthews, NC · Member since 2013 · 7 posts · 5 votes
    10y

    Dan,  Thank you.  I'm in the process of working this angle as well.  This property is in another state, so my relationships are limited, but I do have a working relationship with a bank on the commercial side. 

    Keep the suggestions coming.  Thanks.


    Josh

  • Seattle, WA · Member since 2014 · 15 posts · 3 votes
    10y

    Hi Josh,

    What are your numbers for purchase / rehab / arv.  What do your financials look like ( down payment / reserves etc) That might help determine some options for you. 

  • Real Estate Investor · Burlington, VT · Member since 2010 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    10y

    @Joshua Lester  Daniel beat me to it, small local banks work great in a situation like this. I've done many rehabs and they would provide purchase + rehab financing.

    Good luck!

    - Tom

  • Matthews, NC · Member since 2013 · 7 posts · 5 votes
    10y

    Thanks guys. I will continue to look into that option. Purchase price is $300k, renovation budget $50k. ARV should come in around $450-500k. I was planning on 20% down payment. I have about 115k on hand to work with, without tapping into other investments, emergency reserves, etc.

  • Seattle, WA · Member since 2014 · 15 posts · 3 votes
    10y

    The local "portfolio" banks can be hit and miss. Time seems to be an issue for you to close so I would look into hard money lenders. You can get 70-75% ARV loaned but need to have reserves for rehab, down payment, interest payment (which it seems you have). It sounds like your rehab will be pretty quick. Someone like a Civic lending might be a starting point.

  • Member since 2021 · 1 post · 0 votes
    5y

    Hi Joshua! 

    I saw this post and wanted to know if you were able to work it out and get the home. I'm in a similar position and wanted to hear how this purchased worked out for you.

    Sunny 

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