Creative Finance Question

Creative Finance Question

Member since 2018 · 6 posts · 1 vote
Hi,

I'm looking at a property on an Island to use for Airbnb & VRBO.  The home is currently used for this and making great numbers.  Based on the actual numbers given my profit margin should be around 40-45% of gross rental revenue.  My issue - like most people is down payment.  I spent $100k down on my last rental investment two years ago and that left me short on cash.  While the rental is doing great it doesn't afford me a ton of cash.  However the rental property has a good amount of equity.  Should I leverage as much equity as possible to try and purchase the next property?  Would it be better to find a private money lender that will do the deal?  I could also contact the sellers to see if they will finance for 2-3 years before getting a loan when interest rates come down (surely they'll come down).  I just think from what I've seen everyone is going to want 20-25% down and if I had that in my pocket I would have already walked in to a bank to get a loan.  I'm looking for a way in to this deal without a huge down payment.  I've heard some private lenders will buy the property at 100% and sell it to you.  Is that true?  Thanks in advance for reading.  

Thanks,

Jeremy
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OR · Member since 2022 · 9 posts · 4 votes
3y
Quote from @Dave Skow:

@Jeremy Pommerening thanks 1) if property is a SFR - a 15% down payment might be possible 2) I wouldnt make any decsions based on the hope rates dropping ...they likely will but you cant count on this occuring and then be caught in a hard spot 3) 100% financing on an investment proeprty not possible - good luck

I wouldn't necessarily say that finding 100% financing is impossible, though it's very unlikely. I've seen people have more success with 100% financing on seller financed deals, but the other half of this is having a great relationship with a private lender that will accept 2nd position. And the deal must be good :)
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  • Lender · CA · Member since 2018 · 638 posts · 393 votes
    3y

    Full disclosure: as a lender, I have a bias towards leverage in general (as well as a healthy understanding and respect for it). I personally recommend cash out refinances (yes even with these rates). I am currently cashing out a 2.25% interest rate into an 8% rate, and the property is still going to cash flow and I'm going to have 70-90k tax free to go out and buy more properties. I view all money/equity as baskets of money. I would rather have money in my bank where I can use it rather than tied up in one property. As for private money lenders that is definitely an option, but I would tap into existing equity first before going to them. (Personally). Depending on your situation you could buy it a second home for 10% down or you could do a 20% down DSCR. There are a lot of options!

    Hope this helps!

  • Lender · Seattle, WA · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 899 votes
    3y

    @Jeremy Pommerening thanks 1) if property is a SFR - a 15% down payment might be possible 2) I wouldnt make any decsions based on the hope rates dropping ...they likely will but you cant count on this occuring and then be caught in a hard spot 3) 100% financing on an investment proeprty not possible - good luck

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    Lender · Dallas, TX · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Jeremy Pommerening:
    Hi,

    I'm looking at a property on an Island to use for Airbnb & VRBO.  The home is currently used for this and making great numbers.  Based on the actual numbers given my profit margin should be around 40-45% of gross rental revenue.  My issue - like most people is down payment.  I spent $100k down on my last rental investment two years ago and that left me short on cash.  While the rental is doing great it doesn't afford me a ton of cash.  However the rental property has a good amount of equity.  Should I leverage as much equity as possible to try and purchase the next property?  Would it be better to find a private money lender that will do the deal?  I could also contact the sellers to see if they will finance for 2-3 years before getting a loan when interest rates come down (surely they'll come down).  I just think from what I've seen everyone is going to want 20-25% down and if I had that in my pocket I would have already walked in to a bank to get a loan.  I'm looking for a way in to this deal without a huge down payment.  I've heard some private lenders will buy the property at 100% and sell it to you.  Is that true?  Thanks in advance for reading.  

    Thanks,

    Jeremy

     @Jeremy Pommerening   You should start with more info on your existing rental property.  What do you owe? what is it worth? Your current rate etc?  It is possible to leverage that property with a fixed rate. Sure, your cost of interest might go up but if this new investment is going to yield the type of return you state in your post maybe you do not care.  You need to look at any portfolio in totality, not property to property. Ig pulling money out of your current property puts you in a better overall place why would you not do it? 

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  • Member since 2018 · 6 posts · 1 vote
    3y

    Thank you everyone for the quick replies.  Definitely gives me food for thought.  I'll look in to some of the options mentioned but it sounds like leveraging my investment property is something I should highly consider.  Thanks again.  As a real estate investment n00b it is great to hear from you experts.

  • Member since 2018 · 6 posts · 1 vote
    3y
    thanks to all who replied - as a follow up the real estate agent just let me know that the sellers would be open to owner financing.  I may pursue this opportunity further.
  • OR · Member since 2022 · 9 posts · 4 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Dave Skow:

    @Jeremy Pommerening thanks 1) if property is a SFR - a 15% down payment might be possible 2) I wouldnt make any decsions based on the hope rates dropping ...they likely will but you cant count on this occuring and then be caught in a hard spot 3) 100% financing on an investment proeprty not possible - good luck

    I wouldn't necessarily say that finding 100% financing is impossible, though it's very unlikely. I've seen people have more success with 100% financing on seller financed deals, but the other half of this is having a great relationship with a private lender that will accept 2nd position. And the deal must be good :)
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