Flip Then Own Outright Vs. BRRRR

Flip Then Own Outright Vs. BRRRR

Ryan KinneyPro Member
Spokane, WA · Member since 2016 · 3 posts · 2 votes

Today I got in an argument with my father (who is also a real estate investor) and a friend of mine over the best method to use to generate long-term wealth. One method would be to flip 3-4 homes and use the profits to then roll right into buying a rental. You then own the home outright and it cashflows wonderfully, however, your money then becomes locked up. The second method would then be the BRRRR Strategy favored by many on BP. The issue here is finding a portfolio lender or private money lenders.

For Example:

Buy a home for $42,000 and spend $45,000 on repairs so total expense is $87,000 

The after repair value of the home is $130,000. The home would rent for $950/month.

Monthly expenditures including mortgage and capex are approximately, $650 cashflowing roughly $300.

At an LTV rate of 75% the new loan amount would be roughly $97,500 plus fees so roughly $102,000. Leaving you with $10,000 extra on top of the previous money invested to roll into a new deal.

The second method would do several more of these flips say 4 netting approximately $30,000 to then buy a rental at $120,000 that also rents at $950, Casflowing roughly $700 after expenses.

So I made the argument that in the first method you not only gain all the equity you would off the flip and still have a rental. They, in turn, argued that $300/month is not worth the headache of being a landlord.

I'm curious what other investors think?

Thank you!

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  • Investor · Tampa, FL · Member since 2011 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    9y

    I would say numbers aren't the only factor in the equation. Your father's plan to flip 3-4 houses to buy one rental might take a while. $300/mo not worth the headache of being a landlord is ironic, while glossing over the headache of flipping 3-4 houses, not to mention finding the 3-4 houses to flip. I don't know your market, but that's not an easy task where I am. It seems like a whole lot of work, effort, time and money spent to get 1 rental. 

    Speaking on principle alone, you don't build long term wealth by selling off assets. And if that's the premise of the argument you need to be keeping the properties you find. BRRRR allows you to do that with a minimal amount of work compared to flipping houses, which is a full time job.

    MHO is

    Ryan-1, Father and Friend-0 !

  • Atlanta, GA · Member since 2016 · 1 post · 1 vote
    9y

    Hi Ryan, 

    I have to say I agree with you and Nick. It's simple math. The answer depends on whether they can earn more by investing the cash than they'll pay in interest on the mortgage. If your mortgage is 6% and you could earn 10% on your money elsewhere, take the loan. But if the best return you can get on your money is 4%, pay cash for the house, where you "earn" a guaranteed 6% by not paying interest.

    Also, you still end up with more cash with 4 cash flowing properties at 300 a month vs owning 1 outright and cash flowing 700 a month. Then in 30 years you have 4 properties paid off.  I made a chart assuming in 1 year you buy 4 properties 1 per quarter that cash flow at 300/month.

    Property 1 Property 1(owned) Property 1 Property 2 Property 3
    January 700 300      Property 4
    February 700 300      
    March 700 300      
    April 700 300 300    
    May 700 300 300    
    June 700 300 300    
    July 700 300 300 300  
    August 700 300 300 300  
    September 700 300 300 300  
    October 700 300 300 300 300
    November 700 300 300 300 300
    December 700 300 300 300 300
    Total 8400 9000      
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